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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program I am your host

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Chris George the zuker and you have

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tonight if you got your glass of scotch

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kicking around somewhere from a great

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man mr. Walter Bosley former secret

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agent man himself we're gonna be talking

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about the real secret space program not

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that little [\h__\h] that's been out there

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the last couple years actual breakaway

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civilizations the possibilities of

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actual vote viewing and you know aliens

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UFOs and the like stick around if you've

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heard him on a teach see you know that

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this he's probably one of the best

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interviewers interviews that you can get

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and I am extremely privileged to have

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him on the show with all of you here

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today so you know for everybody welcome

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to the program I'm in the top right

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today Walter how are you doing great

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it's good to be on I'm looking forward

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to this well thank you very much before

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nope we do not have corporate sponsors

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hear on here besides you know the

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I've been getting a lot of mail recently

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as you may know that this this shows

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been growing leaps and bounds over the

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last year we get about 60,000 people who

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listen and download a week at this point

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which is insane I also have as many

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messages through YouTube as I do through

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Facebook at this point and yeah just

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four but I haven't read out the comments

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in a while this is from special agent

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Rob price she's got blue precious

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special agent raw price she's and he

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writes I'm a special agent all price

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ease and I'm will be investigating and

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welcome aboard nice to have you let's

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see this one's from aa cryptic cowboy

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and Walter I think you'll appreciate

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this one this was with regards to our

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death threats from sphere being alliance

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episode of enigmas and [\h__\h] and this was

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with a good friend of the show and

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contributor and one of our one of our

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Huntington we do that show try to get it

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done one so every single week mm-hmm

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very hard to be able to do with a

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two-month-old I could tell you that I

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haven't slept really in 10 days my

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goodness

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and this one's from cryptic

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cowboy and he writes in I never trusted

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that little weasel David Wilcock since

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the first time I heard the guy claiming

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to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce I

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checked out the Corey Goode nonsense

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when he first came onto the scene and I

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just couldn't inject that [\h__\h] into me

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anymore

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[\h__\h] Corey Goode and [\h__\h] David Wilcock

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have a nice stay enjoy the show

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cryptic thank you very much I was having

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a shitty morning when you wrote that in

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and that actually made my day

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so thank you very much for that

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encouragement and for joining in on the

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the the shooting on the shells that are

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the [\h__\h] and good or good [\h__\h] good [\h__\h]

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well we'll call good [\h__\h] go with that

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and this one is coming in from Le Abbess

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who writes this is from a couple of days

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ago with regards to one of our pyramid

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specials from last April any rights I

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just finished the rest of the show today

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very informative do you have any ideas

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of where the pyramid are why there is a

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pyramid on the US dollar also what's the

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connection with Freemasonry well and as

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you all know if you have your glasses

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ready being a freemason I can actually

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answer this question in 1782 the Eye of

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Providence was adopted as part of the

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symbolism on the reverse side of the

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Great Seal of the United States

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it was first suggested as an element of

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the Great Seal by the first of the three

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design committees in 1776 and it's

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thought to be the suggestion of the

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artistic consultant appear Asian to seen

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it co and that's closest to the French

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you can actually get it I mean Canada we

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got a I learned French so in his

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original proposed proposal to the

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committee do see it see I was gonna say

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Eugene Pierre Eugene placed the eye over

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shield symbolizing each of the original

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13 states of the Union on the version of

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the seal that was eventually approved

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the eye is positioned above an

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unfinished pyramid of 13 steps again

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symbolized in the original 13 States but

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incorporating the nation's potential for

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the few for future growth the symbolism

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is explained by the motto that appears

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above the eye and who eats kept as'

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which I can't even pronounce Latin

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meaning Providence God approved or

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Providence God approves or has approved

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of our undertakings bill Ellis professor

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emeritus of the American Studies at Penn

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State has stated that the pyramid was

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seen as the kind of human structure that

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lasted out the ages which as we can see

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it has he also says that the founding

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fathers wanted the country to last as

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long as the pyramids did so that's you

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know the IRF Providence in Freemasonry

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means that the eye of God's always

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watching over us to make sure we don't

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do any bad evil [\h__\h] so yeah like the

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whole black magic thing that should

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don't happen most of the guys are kind

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of too old to really do that type of

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stuff it's not hard to do the one you

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you know it's a lot of coffee drinking

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and cake eating and pancake and and

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virgin sacrificing don't forget that

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yeah and the haggis on Scotia night this

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is also true Robbie Burns night

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okay yeah it's been years are much

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closer to masonry activity than a man

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weight it's also grounded Groundhog Day

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today I'm being told

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so yes fishing rods night is coming up

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soon Groundhog Day at least here in

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Canada we're having an early spring that

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global warming [\h__\h] is kicking in

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apparently and apparently south of the

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border you guys are screwed except for

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you because you're in California yeah

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we're having those mid-80s days and then

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after the sun's been down an hour you're

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putting a late jacket on oh you know as

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long as it's not raining too bad and as

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long as it's like a breeze I love the

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rain and we just had like we've been

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dumped with rain thank God and we could

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use a lot more oh yeah I've seen a lot

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of the fires that are going out there

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it's it's insane

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I'm just glad at least that your

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internet area that is relatively safe

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yeah yeah that that right now we're not

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having difficulty with that but every

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once in a while these mountains cuz the

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mountains are just right here

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essentially where I live is at the foot

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of the Sammartino Mountains south and

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San Bernardino Mountains and I'm only

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like a 20 minute drive it's up the hill

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to crest line 30 minutes to Lake

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Arrowhead so and how do you end up in in

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California because you got a very

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interesting resume my career currently

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an investigator of historical occults

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mysteries author of pulp fiction novels

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and you're a screenwriter who has

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appeared on History Channel's ancient

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aliens like we've had a lot of a lot of

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the talking heads from there on the show

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so we've got another celebrity ladies

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and gentlemen and after 19 years you

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also you were 19 years of national

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security and you're a licensed private

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investigator in California where you can

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also run a small press publishing

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company lost continent library founded

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in 2002 and you've traveled much of the

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world both on to the job and off

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including trips through Mexico and South

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America with David Hatcher Childress

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who's WX WX magazine has published

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articles by yourself and your well

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you're born in San Diego and attended

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SDSU where you earned a BA in journalism

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and you've been employed by the Federal

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Bureau of Investigation's

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and you're in a on inactive reserve for

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the US Air Force Oh which you have

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served as a special agent of the if OSI

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while on active duty and while you're

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there at your counterterrorism

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operational consultant for six years of

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following military service so I can

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thank you very much for keeping us safe

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it's a period your service is

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appreciated and for let's see also spend

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time writing fiction nonfiction ends

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investigating strange mysteries so

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that's one of the reasons why you are

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here how did you how did you get into

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the military first off

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um they were desperate actually they had

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done what's called a riff for reduction

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in force in the early 90s and they had

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discovered the air force discovered that

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they had cut their company grade officer

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corps a little lower than they wanted to

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so they were looking to recruit OTS

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candidates and I was 29 when I went in

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and I thought okay I'm gonna be the old

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guy cuz most of these other guys are

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gonna be fresh out of college and I had

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the good fortune of being in an officer

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training class that was about 90% what

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they call priors

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that's prior enlisted guys so these were

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guys that were pretty much close to my

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age and they had already been on active

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duty for some years as enlisted guys you

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know they were senior NCOs so they knew

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you know what the training thing was all

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about they knew all the tricks you know

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how to keep your boots shiny and how to

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stay out of trouble with the FTOs

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all that so that and my background made

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me appealing to OSI because I had worked

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for the FBI

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for close to six years five years and

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some months and OSI wanted me so I was

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what called a direct accession

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acquisition whatever I knew that I was

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gonna be going OSI the day I reported to

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OTS how it usually works as you find out

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what you're going to be doing as an

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officer about a week before

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commissioning graduation but I knew

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going in and that I was gonna be in a

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mess I agent so it was really just the

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FBI experience and the reduction in

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force now tell me about your time at the

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FBI because at least as far as you can

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actually tell us because I know that a

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lot of the work that you that you did

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was either top-secret or was protected

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and especially if cases are you know

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there's somebody who's in witness

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protection or what have you or if

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there's information that is related to

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national security or the security of

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another you can't disclose it but

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you being in the FBI like were you there

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your entire adult life did you like

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entering right out of college how did

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you get into law enforcement well I got

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out of college I finished college in

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December of 1985 I didn't my my walk

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you know the graduation ceremony in June

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of 86 and my uncle an uncle of mine who

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became my mentor he encouraged me to go

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apply to the bureau in the fall of 1987

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so I was out of college almost two years

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at the time I applied to the bureau and

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he advised me taking whatever they give

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you because sometimes they have a freeze

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on agent positions you know sometimes

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they just say okay for six months or a

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year we're not taking any agent

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applicants so I went ahead and applied

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because he said you know you could

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become an agent once you're in and

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that's true so I applied and they

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offered me a job as a mail clerk I

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started as a gs3 mail clerk and I only

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did that for 45 days I was promoted to

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evidence technician I was an evidence

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technician for about six months in LA

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and San Jose when I was sent to Quantico

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and brought into counterintelligence by

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being trained as a surveillance

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operative they have non agent personnel

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who's served on the counterintelligence

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counterespionage surveillance teams

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basically I followed spies Soviet agents

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KGB guys GRU guys around San Francisco

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and anywhere our guy is our targets went

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I think I went to Reno

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a couple of times and we intercepted a

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east-german once down by LA but I did

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that for probably a little over a year

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and had taken the language aptitude test

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and scored the highest in my

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vision San Francisco division and so

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they wanted to send me to Russian

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language school and so I did that for 11

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months training in basic Russian and was

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sent to Manhattan I worked on an

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undercover squad in Manhattan basically

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what we call sitting on a wiretap

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listening to recorded conversations of

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known and suspected Soviet agents

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primarily GRU when I was assigned to and

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did that for three years and then made

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the jump over to the Air Force and to

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OSI so I was all but about seven months

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give or take of my time in the bureau I

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was in counterintelligence the whole

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time and you can't talk details of

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operations but you know generally you

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start with a top secret clearance if

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you're a bureau employee now when I

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started I didn't have to take a

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polygraph but after that I think in the

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late 90s they started giving polygraphs

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even if you were just gonna be a support

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employee I know an agent person in fact

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I took my first polygraph when I went

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into counter espionage operations when I

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was chief of that branch at wright-patt

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I think that was my first polygraph if

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I'm not mistake they don't worry me I've

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taken a few I you know

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I'm not gonna lie to them and I don't

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have anything shady in my past to worry

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about so I don't get worked up over

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polygraphs like a lot of people do with

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the work that you were doing and I don't

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without going into specifics how bad was

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the I'm gonna say the Red Menace like

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you if the Soviets were walking around

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the west coast at that point and even in

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Manhattan like it were they as was it as

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bad as as people say like I said where's

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the story say like I'm not talking like

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Tom Clancy [\h__\h] but

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well what do you mean bad but like how

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bad were the the attempted infiltration

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you know were the methods sophisticated

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in terms of recruitment that some people

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claim you know like we're what was their

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ability to to infiltrate organizations

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or companies or just cause [\h__\h] as

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sophisticated as as people claimed that

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they were well here's how it works

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basically you know it's considered it's

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called the game you know and we are

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doing the same thing in these other

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countries is they're doing here and

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essentially what these guys are trying

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to do is cultivate relationships with

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Americans who can provide them useful

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information on the military of course

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anything national security but

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particularly industry and you know they

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they will cultivate these relationships

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in their spare time for instance if

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you're a KGB officer okay you're

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assigned to San Francisco well you're

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gonna be assigned in their version of

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the State Department and you're gonna

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have a legitimate job in their foreign

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office where you're the you know you're

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the representative to San Francisco for

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food or agriculture representative right

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for their Soviet foreign office to use

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that context but in the evening and in

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your off time on weekends and your

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lunchtime whatever because you're also a

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caging a or a GRU officer what you're

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doing in your social time is cultivating

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these relationships let's say as

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agriculture official you meet some

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American that can help the Soviet Union

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so what you do in your off time is you

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you know go to baseball games with them

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you you do picnics with your families

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you know just anything that you can do

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to get close to that individual now you

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want to get close to them to determine

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if you know you can use them unwittingly

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like pump them for stuff and they don't

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realize they're giving you useful stuff

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or if you can either turn them to your

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side for ideological reasons or you can

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compromise them we do the same things in

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foreign countries so our job is FBI for

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example when I was with them is to be

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watching these guys who through Intel

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who through either in tow we know that

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they're a KGB officer or we have reason

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to suspect or we do is we watch them we

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sir surveil them physical surveillance

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we wiretap their phones we try to

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determine which Americans that they're

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making friends with and we keep an eye

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on them as much as possible and we will

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go to one of these Americans and we'll

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be working them to see if we can run

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them against the Russian that's trying

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to cozy up to them it's a delightful

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game that I enjoyed playing very much

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and but they're not running around you

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know sabotaging things they will use

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technology to communicate in interesting

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ways they will also do their best to get

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to restricted areas the the wiretap guys

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when I was on physical surveillance

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before I did wiretap and we would get

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word into the agent the case H and the

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Russians would be pissed off because

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they would put in a request when they

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were going to Southern California to

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take their kids to Disneyland they

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wanted to take the straight shot and

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they weren't allowed to because that

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would take them through Silicon Valley

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and past a couple of bases so

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State Department would tell FBI that's

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what they want to do and the Bureau

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would say nope it's a national security

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concern and so they would have to go

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back to the Russian and say sorry you

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got to go the long way and then on the

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wiretap we hear them talking between

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themselves there's pissed off that they

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couldn't you know because they do that

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they want to go by and see what they can

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see as they pass a base the other thing

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they want to do is and this is what gr

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you guys do they want to count the mile

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markers to see if how accurate the maps

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are because we will do maps purposely

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and accurately for national security

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reasons honestly I don't know if you've

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done much cross-country driving I've

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done a ton of it and I noticed for years

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it's like hey wait a minute

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the the map or the road sign says X

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number of miles but my odometer is

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showing that it's a mile off by give or

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take in some cases well that's done on

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purpose is what I learned maybe they

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don't do that anymore but this is the

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kind of things that a GRU agent would do

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would want to drive from San Francisco

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to Disneyland and be checking those

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miles and you know okay why would they

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want to do that well let's say we got

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into World War three and they needed to

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you know troop movements aircraft

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maneuvering missiles for instance they

497
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it's their job to know the accurate

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distances for such things and again we

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would do the same thing over in you know

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the block countries now in your time in

501
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the Bureau did you ever have to you know

502
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put your body on the line for national

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security and like maybe seduce like a

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very hot Russian spy you know named Olga

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yeah you know I I know guys he

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in Canada who did that for a number of

507
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years during the Cold War and you'll be

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they never confirmed but they never

509
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denied it

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[Laughter]

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no see in the bureau I was when I

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started with them I was married to my

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first wife and I met my second life

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while in Russian training so and I have

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to say that you know I was I was a good

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boy

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during those years and the kind of work

518
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you know in the old days in the bureau

519
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you had a lot of fun if you went to

520
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training so you didn't have to go after

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all go there I know and I'll leave it at

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that

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but all consenting adult behavior by the

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way so what was the most without giving

525
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too much away what was the most

526
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interesting OP that you that you were on

527
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or had actually witnessed

528
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in the bureau yeah well you know in

529
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terms of like a counterintelligence or

530
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counterterrorism like dealing with these

531
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with the Soviets like what wins the

532
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crazy thing when you're on a

533
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surveillance team you're providing that

534
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service for case agents okay be the

535
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actual agent who's assigned to Ivan okay

536
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a particular spot and so you're actually

537
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not privy to all the things in the case

538
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file you're just you know you're just

539
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following Ivan you know so many days a

540
00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:07,190
week he's on the rotation and you're

541
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:09,830
reporting what he does so you do get to

542
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:12,710
see some cool stuff now I mentioned

543
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:15,170
earlier that they used interesting means

544
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:22,960
of communication devices and excuse me

545
00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:31,140
we were honest target and they were

546
00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:36,160
using this stuff and unfortunately I'm I

547
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:39,160
can't say anything about it even if it's

548
00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:45,070
been depicted on a TV show like you know

549
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:47,500
a TV show perhaps by a guy named David

550
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:50,830
Lynch in the early 90s it might be

551
00:25:56,910 --> 00:25:55,150
called Twin Peaks you know that was kind

552
00:25:58,350 --> 00:25:56,920
of funny there's something I wasn't

553
00:26:00,090 --> 00:25:58,360
allowed to talk about one night I'm

554
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:00,100
watching that show and here's a guy

555
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:04,480
doing it on a TV show but I still you

556
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:08,110
know can't say what it was but so it was

557
00:26:12,450 --> 00:26:09,790
things like that because I wasn't really

558
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:12,460
the case agent and I didn't know all the

559
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:16,990
details of what they were doing or I'm

560
00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:19,090
sorry all the details of what the whole

561
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:21,280
thing was about and all the details

562
00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:24,490
about what they might be doing while

563
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:26,740
we're observing them so while we're

564
00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:28,690
watching them do a very mundane thing

565
00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:30,790
when this communication device I'm

566
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:32,200
talking about is built into mundane

567
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:34,690
things what they actually could be doing

568
00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:38,290
is something major and that gets into

569
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:41,380
the nuances of surveillance through most

570
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:42,940
of my career I have done physical

571
00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:45,160
surveillance and I kind of market myself

572
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:47,080
as a PI as a physical surveillance

573
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:50,890
specialist I have mostly done physical

574
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:53,650
surveillance work for other PS don't

575
00:26:59,010 --> 00:26:55,690
have my experience or their operatives

576
00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:59,020
don't have my experience and I love it

577
00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:01,090
not everybody loves physical

578
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:02,740
surveillance but it's it's kind of an

579
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:05,830
art form well you're being an

580
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:07,150
investigator and also being an author

581
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:09,670
especially dealing with more of the nuts

582
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:12,280
and bolts style of UFOs have you ever

583
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:16,360
considered like you know private eyeing

584
00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:18,400
certain individuals who may or may not

585
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:20,950
be portraying themselves as what there's

586
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:22,750
something that they're not and actually

587
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,980
um the only opportunities oh and what I

588
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,760
was speaking before the last several

589
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,220
minutes was just my FBI experience as an

590
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:38,100
OSI agent the answer on interesting

591
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:41,250
stuff is a whole other story yeah you

592
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:43,250
know that's a yes because I was an agent

593
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:47,010
but yeah on the issue of you're talking

594
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:48,929
about like these stolen valor guys that

595
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:51,870
he's you know saying they were something

596
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,970
they're not that what you meant well I

597
00:27:57,530 --> 00:27:55,320
was more like look at like we all know

598
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,540
that we'll talk and good or full of [\h__\h]

599
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:00,840
like you look good you know I really

600
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:04,290
Goods 20 megapixel SLR with a telescopic

601
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:07,049
lens on it and just like get them doing

602
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:08,190
some crazy I shouldn't put that on the

603
00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:09,630
Internet

604
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:11,550
I'm gonna go away that's an easy way to

605
00:28:16,550 --> 00:28:14,400
do it no but the way I look at it is we

606
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:16,560
all have our crazy ass [\h__\h] that we do

607
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:19,290
and we wouldn't we wouldn't want it out

608
00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:23,220
there you know look I would have no

609
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:28,590
trouble if you know there was some you

610
00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:31,280
know criminal fraud type stuff going on

611
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,260
or

612
00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:35,940
not always criminal because you know I

613
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,430
do domestics work which is you know wife

614
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:39,840
cheating on the husband kind of stuff

615
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:42,330
that's not necessarily criminal but you

616
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:45,030
know it's breaking a contract so it is

617
00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:49,350
you know defrauding a contract but you

618
00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:51,540
know if they were doing something where

619
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:53,070
they were actually defrauding like

620
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:55,620
attendees at a conference or you know

621
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,770
people sending the money that I would

622
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:00,900
get into because my line is if you're

623
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:04,500
committing a crime you know in this

624
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,060
particular field with those guys then

625
00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:08,340
I'd be really you know hell yeah

626
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:11,070
you know I would do that but in

627
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:13,140
actuality because I'm also in this field

628
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:15,420
it would be a bad idea for me to take

629
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:18,210
that kind of assignment it would be you

630
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:19,740
know kind of a conflict of interest

631
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:21,900
thing you know cuz I'm a guy out there

632
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,620
he was in there same field and and you

633
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:28,380
know Here I am trying to you know slam

634
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:32,550
them so you know I can understand that I

635
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,350
just it would be funny to actually have

636
00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:36,840
David actually have somebody tailing him

637
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:38,040
from once instead of the [\h__\h] that

638
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:39,270
he constantly pulls out of his you know

639
00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:43,500
his is his ass like like I think you

640
00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:45,270
like claimed to have his brake lines cut

641
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:48,060
and that was a big yeah yeah that's

642
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:50,730
please give me a friggin break no man

643
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:53,210
you occur as a piece of [\h__\h] thank you

644
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:56,670
you know it always comes down to you

645
00:30:02,150 --> 00:29:58,530
know you hear these people make these

646
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:02,160
claims and when you get them to tell you

647
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:03,930
more about it and they start discussing

648
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,270
the details that's invariably when it

649
00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:08,460
starts falling apart that's when they

650
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,160
start doing the hemmin and hawin the or

651
00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:14,820
or you find out the car is old and you

652
00:30:21,299 --> 00:30:18,540
know there's nothing going wrong with it

653
00:30:23,879 --> 00:30:21,309
that anyone has done

654
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:23,889
but yet they milk it and they push it

655
00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:25,570
out there and there's a lot of people

656
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:27,999
because they're excited by the BS that

657
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:30,580
just eat it up now are you part of the

658
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:33,759
Dark Alliance do you hold a special code

659
00:30:42,629 --> 00:30:37,600
name and I have our are you affiliated

660
00:30:45,149 --> 00:30:42,639
with a one somewhat light you know

661
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:45,159
author slash journalist who may be a

662
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:48,850
dark journalist oh yeah see that's the

663
00:30:53,369 --> 00:30:50,860
thing I'm associated with Dark Alliance

664
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:53,379
all you Dark Alliance guys but I have

665
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,690
never actually been named I don't think

666
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:57,960
they they want to give me the

667
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:00,700
recognition or the satisfaction well cuz

668
00:31:04,109 --> 00:31:02,950
then you can make t-shirts and the day

669
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:04,119
they're supposed to be the only people

670
00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:07,450
with swag so cool see you guys have a

671
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:10,119
lot more a piece to the market than I do

672
00:31:15,989 --> 00:31:13,090
a lot more people watch you and know who

673
00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:15,999
you are than know who I am I think and

674
00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:17,169
the people who do know me just like if

675
00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:18,309
like Chris Ian that guy's [\h__\h]

676
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:23,259
annoying getting on in the more serious

677
00:31:27,239 --> 00:31:24,429
subject matter at hand I know Leigh's

678
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:27,249
been waiting on this one and he's asking

679
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:29,590
about your thoughts about one David

680
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:31,210
McGowan

681
00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:33,490
he's an was an investigative journalist

682
00:31:38,609 --> 00:31:35,799
author an Internet activist focused on

683
00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:38,619
politics was a critic early critic of

684
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:40,059
the US government's official narratives

685
00:31:44,999 --> 00:31:42,730
about the events of a September 11 2001

686
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:45,009
died at age 55 and the 52nd anniversary

687
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:48,490
of assassination of JFK six months after

688
00:31:52,639 --> 00:31:49,990
being diagnosed with an unusually

689
00:31:56,899 --> 00:31:52,649
aggressive form of lung cancer

690
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,909
have you heard of him or I believe there

691
00:32:02,610 --> 00:31:59,519
is one more Dave Bhagawan and Laurel

692
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:05,840
what were the circumstances of his

693
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,049
specifically of his death he died did he

694
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:10,720
die in the hospital of this or was he

695
00:32:16,169 --> 00:32:13,570
one of those people who killed himself

696
00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:16,179
uh let's see

697
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:18,009
because I don't know the situation by

698
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:19,529
the name

699
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,230
I'm not recognizing and I hate to

700
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:26,080
disappoint folks but I I don't really I

701
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,159
don't spent in time well you know

702
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,840
collecting the playing cards for the

703
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:34,720
deep state discussions and stuff I I

704
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:39,460
really I'm a big-picture guy and to me

705
00:32:43,889 --> 00:32:41,110
when I feel like I understand the big

706
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:43,899
picture where people fit the details

707
00:32:48,509 --> 00:32:46,450
only matter to me if I have a reason to

708
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:48,519
and that's comes from being an

709
00:32:55,889 --> 00:32:53,039
investigator in an agent you know it's

710
00:32:58,350 --> 00:32:55,899
it's if I have a reason to focus on

711
00:33:00,239 --> 00:32:58,360
somebody you bet I'm gonna be finding

712
00:33:02,999 --> 00:33:00,249
out all the details but until I have a

713
00:33:04,769 --> 00:33:03,009
reason you know I'm usually paying

714
00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:04,779
attention to the other things I think I

715
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:07,299
need to do well it's not showing here at

716
00:33:10,529 --> 00:33:08,740
least on this board because I'm looking

717
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,539
at wiki spokes com

718
00:33:15,149 --> 00:33:11,679
I didn't even know this existed until

719
00:33:16,259 --> 00:33:15,159
now and it just says on June 15 2015 he

720
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:16,269
posted the following on his website

721
00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:18,700
which is just a lengthy video saying

722
00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:21,070
like I didn't really have a healthy it's

723
00:33:25,889 --> 00:33:23,409
like it's incurable I didn't have a

724
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:25,899
healthy or it didn't have that healthy

725
00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:27,970
of a diet or lifestyle but he was

726
00:33:32,999 --> 00:33:29,019
relatively healthy throughout his life

727
00:33:34,649 --> 00:33:33,009
and I just came on it like didn't take

728
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:34,659
drugs never broke a bone that type of

729
00:33:37,409 --> 00:33:36,220
thing and he's saying like all of a

730
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:37,419
sudden it was replaced with just like

731
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:38,710
pain and cancer that was very aggressive

732
00:33:43,109 --> 00:33:41,740
and uncurable now I know that when it

733
00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:43,119
comes to lung cancer and I know don't

734
00:33:46,889 --> 00:33:44,499
necessarily have an experience with it I

735
00:33:49,379 --> 00:33:46,899
lost a dog to it and I can tell you

736
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:49,389
right now is it until the week that she

737
00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:51,610
died we thought she was 100% healthy we

738
00:33:54,419 --> 00:33:52,419
didn't know that she had lung cancer

739
00:33:56,129 --> 00:33:54,429
lung cancer is one of those silent

740
00:33:56,669 --> 00:33:56,139
killers you don't know you have it until

741
00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:56,679
it's too late

742
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:00,190
and whether he had it it's also one of

743
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:01,450
those cancers also that doesn't come on

744
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:03,580
unless you actually have something like

745
00:34:07,609 --> 00:34:05,590
you have to be breathing in some [\h__\h] or

746
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:07,619
a smoke you have to smoke or you have to

747
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:10,450
around chemicals you know on a regular

748
00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:12,190
basis or have asbestos that type of

749
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:14,379
thing that that will give you that lung

750
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:16,450
cancer otherwise lung cancer

751
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:18,129
comes out of other cancers you should

752
00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:19,659
get lung cancer for metastasizes from

753
00:34:25,649 --> 00:34:22,809
something else so that's that's all I

754
00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:25,659
have on that but so for that one Li I'm

755
00:34:31,409 --> 00:34:29,109
sorry we have no well I will say the

756
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:31,419
general situation sounds suspicious to

757
00:34:36,329 --> 00:34:34,359
me okay you know oh these guys who are

758
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:36,339
looking into certain things and they oh

759
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:39,700
they get cancer or oh they killed

760
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:42,690
themselves I yeah I'm in that camp

761
00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:48,490
mm-hmm how old are you 54 okay so you're

762
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:50,799
you're with it about that range and like

763
00:34:55,379 --> 00:34:52,750
you're researching or at least writing

764
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:55,389
about UFOs and you're writing about you

765
00:34:59,099 --> 00:34:57,250
know the more interesting subject

766
00:35:01,410 --> 00:34:59,109
matters are you worried about something

767
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:01,420
like this befallen you or have you taken

768
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:03,220
steps to protect yourself how does a

769
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:07,380
former you know Special Investigation

770
00:35:12,839 --> 00:35:10,869
officer and a special investigator with

771
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,849
two different branches of the government

772
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:13,839
one of the military one of the

773
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,180
government avoid this type of [\h__\h]

774
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:18,490
happening talking with what you're you

775
00:35:22,349 --> 00:35:20,440
know with what you're doing didn't like

776
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:22,359
did did you pay somebody off with some

777
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:24,150
Scotch orally how does it work there

778
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:27,309
well you'll notice that I write about

779
00:35:36,809 --> 00:35:29,980
you know things a hundred years ago oh

780
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:36,819
that helps is but seriously I you'll

781
00:35:43,289 --> 00:35:40,720
noticed that contributes to why I don't

782
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:43,299
get into the inside baseball on there

783
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:46,960
everything the here and now I'm

784
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:49,240
sincerely interested in the background

785
00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:53,440
and trying to fill in those gaps you

786
00:35:57,059 --> 00:35:54,940
know because everybody thought that the

787
00:35:59,010 --> 00:35:57,069
military-industrial complex and the

788
00:36:01,500 --> 00:35:59,020
history of UFOs only goes back as far as

789
00:36:04,589 --> 00:36:01,510
the Nazis I'm speaking generally when

790
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:04,599
I've shown that it goes I've taken it

791
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:08,220
back to the 1850s and a little earlier

792
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:11,380
you know I'm sincerely interested

793
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:13,240
generally interested in the historical

794
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:16,930
aspect but beside benefit of that is you

795
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:20,170
know I'm not aiming too many lights and

796
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:22,750
pokin too much around the motor self now

797
00:36:30,330 --> 00:36:27,250
that said my first trilogy of Nan books

798
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:30,340
non-fiction books I'm sorry

799
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:33,010
empire of the wheel I had people

800
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,770
watching me I had an interesting

801
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:38,560
experience with the coroner's office I

802
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:42,220
had a guy follow me literally from the

803
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,190
front of my house around my neighborhood

804
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:47,680
I've been confronted by people in public

805
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:50,940
places it's not violently just you know

806
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:54,820
and I was you know introduced to an

807
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:56,680
interesting character who made it clear

808
00:37:01,080 --> 00:36:59,020
that I was being watched and the stuff I

809
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:01,090
did now the average person would say oh

810
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:03,940
my god you know that's scary and you

811
00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:06,010
know I remind associates that find that

812
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:07,660
scary of what I used to do you know I

813
00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:11,110
was the federal agent and you kind of

814
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:13,600
have to take those risks of meeting with

815
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:15,580
people who might mean to you harm

816
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,170
sometimes to get things you know my

817
00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:22,560
personal you know I'm one of those guys

818
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:25,000
when I was an agent there was a saying

819
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:27,430
we had amongst us better to be judged by

820
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:30,910
12 than carried by six I am willing to

821
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:34,560
go the full measure to defend myself or

822
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:38,830
any set people around me and you know I

823
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:40,030
think the people that look at me

824
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:43,180
probably understand that but you know

825
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:45,940
I'm also I was a counterintelligence

826
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:48,670
agent okay when you're an agent who's

827
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:50,920
doing fugitives in white collar crime

828
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:54,490
and you know you know the closest thing

829
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:56,590
that the regular agents would do that I

830
00:38:00,990 --> 00:37:59,080
did was you know when the guys are doing

831
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:01,000
organized crime because it's very

832
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,710
similar to going out or spy

833
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:05,440
organizations those guys get what I'm

834
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:06,990
saying

835
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:10,000
you know inin counterintelligence it's

836
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:11,800
less dangerous than an organized crime

837
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:12,760
particularly when you're working

838
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:15,820
domestically it's all a chess game and

839
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:18,040
you're and when you arrest a spy you

840
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:20,470
know they're usually kind of a nerdy guy

841
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:22,660
like oh I'm caught and they offer their

842
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,790
you know hands for the cops so you're

843
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:29,920
not dealing you know every night with

844
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:31,690
somebody getting ready to knock you up

845
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:33,940
ahead when you walk out your door but

846
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,360
you're I mean you're trained to do to

847
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:40,480
deal with dangerous people when I went

848
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:47,220
what I was doing counterterrorism you

849
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:48,940
know there was kind at the standing

850
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:52,049
order that if any questionable

851
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:54,910
foreigners showed up at home where you

852
00:39:01,319 --> 00:38:57,730
lived you know you you had to report

853
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:01,329
that because what you were doing on the

854
00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:03,130
other side of the world wasn't supposed

855
00:39:12,839 --> 00:39:09,460
to be following it home so to answer

856
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:12,849
your question I hope I don't worry about

857
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:16,150
it because I know what to do in the

858
00:39:24,089 --> 00:39:21,460
event of a B or C did I mean you're too

859
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:24,099
much out of your question no it's I

860
00:39:28,829 --> 00:39:25,000
don't even know what the question was

861
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:28,839
that's fine sorry about that I do that

862
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:30,430
sometimes we're very similar in that

863
00:39:34,049 --> 00:39:31,690
regard and that's kind of why I like you

864
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:34,059
I'm just like we're ant and we're Eve

865
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:35,170
and then we forget where we came from

866
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:37,690
but everything what are we talking about

867
00:39:48,299 --> 00:39:46,390
again you were asking about if jesusí is

868
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:48,309
something to do with dangerous

869
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:50,710
situations I think or worried about

870
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,150
we're talking about the guy who got

871
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:53,920
cancer am i worried about you know

872
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:56,950
here's my view on that look these people

873
00:40:03,089 --> 00:40:00,400
who can give you cancer synthetically or

874
00:40:05,099 --> 00:40:03,099
by injecting with it I Got News for you

875
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:05,109
they can get into your house no matter

876
00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:07,270
what you put on your house they can put

877
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:08,829
in your beer or your milk of your water

878
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:11,529
if they want to do it they're gonna get

879
00:40:19,019 --> 00:40:13,660
to you there's nothing you can do so

880
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:19,029
therefore you can't worry about you just

881
00:40:25,049 --> 00:40:21,990
can't you have to live your life and

882
00:40:27,539 --> 00:40:25,059
wash your hands as much as possible

883
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:27,549
you know reasonably smelled them melt

884
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:30,430
look at the water you know if they want

885
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:32,410
to kill you with a disease they're gonna

886
00:40:35,789 --> 00:40:33,940
get you well this is why the whole

887
00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:35,799
Wilcock thing always kind of pissed me

888
00:40:38,849 --> 00:40:37,329
off because I got the CIA is trying to

889
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:38,859
get it to get me I'm like [\h__\h]

890
00:40:42,269 --> 00:40:40,150
if the CI wanted to kill you you'd be

891
00:40:47,849 --> 00:40:42,279
dead they don't [\h__\h] around on the hats

892
00:40:50,849 --> 00:40:47,859
they don't miss well when people say the

893
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:50,859
CIA the FBI look if anybody in those

894
00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:52,569
organizations is doing this bad

895
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,580
nefarious stuff I guarantee you there

896
00:41:04,870 --> 00:40:57,680
they're not doing it representing the

897
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:04,880
organization they are a a rope or click

898
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:08,660
element embedded within and yes they're

899
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:12,080
using the tools and in some cases the

900
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:15,530
authority they have within that agency

901
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:18,050
of course and that is what we call a

902
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:20,810
misuse or an abuse of that authority in

903
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:23,480
those tools but you know it's more of a

904
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:26,870
click and this gets us into try to

905
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:30,170
identify the ideology of the individuals

906
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:32,990
that you can identify or you suspect

907
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,690
would be involved in such activity

908
00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:37,280
because there's how you're gonna

909
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:39,980
identify the click and their motives so

910
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:41,560
in other words instead of demonizing

911
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:45,410
demonizing CIA or demonizing FBI as an

912
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:47,450
organization that's the wrong way to go

913
00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:48,380
about it

914
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:51,080
and and on the subject of this memo I

915
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,790
think what this memo does this kind of

916
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,040
illustrates what I'm saying you have to

917
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:57,440
look at the individuals and see where

918
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:01,520
their ideology emerges especially where

919
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:05,810
it should not because remember 97

920
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:07,490
percent of the employees at the bureau

921
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:09,830
are doing it the right way and they're

922
00:42:14,350 --> 00:42:11,720
what you and I would call anybody

923
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:14,360
listening we called good people same

924
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:20,060
with CIA now yes I met I met a bigger

925
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:23,540
number of [\h__\h] in my encounters with

926
00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:26,120
the CIA than I did anywhere else but it

927
00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:29,420
was still not a majority of the

928
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:31,880
organization just a bigger number than I

929
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:34,460
had encountered you know comparatively

930
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:36,860
to other organizations yes I mean I I

931
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:38,450
will admit there's something about the

932
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:40,850
CIA culture that particularly in the

933
00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:44,570
last 20 30 years has festered and

934
00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:47,840
there's you know no pockets of stupidity

935
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:52,280
and just shitty people well it's like

936
00:42:56,170 --> 00:42:53,660
the McDonald's that I worked out when I

937
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:56,180
was 15 and and to the guys in the CA I'm

938
00:43:01,660 --> 00:42:59,780
not comparing you to McDonald's so chill

939
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:01,670
out I'm using it's an it's called an

940
00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:03,790
analogy it's that it's a comparison of

941
00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:06,200
like events in my own life to try and

942
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:08,600
relate to you guys so chill out

943
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:11,390
and I'm in Canada so if they'd send CSIS

944
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,370
afternoon probably at least I'd get

945
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:14,800
doughnuts

946
00:43:19,570 --> 00:43:17,300
you know we had about 120 employees that

947
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:19,580
one life I think it was my third job and

948
00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:21,380
like there was a group of guys that I

949
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:24,020
would hang around with and we were the

950
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:27,530
you know we were the young teenagers who

951
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:30,650
smoked pot and you know passed food to

952
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:32,090
one another over the counter type of

953
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:33,710
thing and you know like we were mod I

954
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:35,600
was probably the the more productive and

955
00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:36,950
actually giving a [\h__\h] about doing a

956
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:38,840
good job but it's like yeah you know

957
00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:41,870
like if you're 15 you're like oh I want

958
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:43,160
a free burger no problem your friends

959
00:43:46,510 --> 00:43:44,540
want a free burger you get a free burger

960
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:46,520
you know and you have that agreement

961
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:48,530
that you keep things on the down-low so

962
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:50,300
that the the manager or the salary

963
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:51,710
managers didn't find out about it so

964
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:55,190
that you would keep your job and but it

965
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:56,510
was a small percentage she a lot of the

966
00:44:00,520 --> 00:43:57,650
people there were just you know they

967
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:00,530
want to come in make their money and you

968
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:03,290
know go home and I would assume would be

969
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:05,300
very something very similar to to that

970
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:08,570
on a much great s'more of a it's it's

971
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:11,390
kind of like that but the definition in

972
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:14,660
their case of doing your job is you know

973
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:16,370
at the risk of sounding cheesy you know

974
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:20,270
the the overwhelming majority of people

975
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,580
in the operational world are what you'd

976
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:24,560
call you know true believers and what

977
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:26,570
it's supposed to be about they really

978
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,720
believe in what they're doing and yeah

979
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:32,240
they won't they're there for the mission

980
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:34,580
to do what they're supposed to be doing

981
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:36,380
and then go home at the end of the day

982
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:40,540
alive at the end of the mission whatever

983
00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:44,900
and they would like to think that

984
00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:48,860
there's you know colleagues in their you

985
00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:52,940
know superiors bosses think the same way

986
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,600
and for the most part they do and it

987
00:45:02,560 --> 00:44:58,250
really crushes them and breaks their

988
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:02,570
heart when a few bad players are just

989
00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:04,850
you know having the whole effort be

990
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:06,620
characterized you know I still have

991
00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:09,290
contacts in the FBI and you know the

992
00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:11,300
last couple of years I've heard the

993
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:14,600
stories about how angry and disgusted

994
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:18,860
the you know the the folks there were

995
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:20,150
with some of the stuff that had been

996
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:21,990
going on with you know

997
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:26,400
supervisory level people so it's that's

998
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:27,690
why I like to try and make that

999
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:29,730
distinction and you know remind people

1000
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:32,520
hey it's not the whole organization the

1001
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:34,830
the Charter the organization is not you

1002
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:36,510
know you will be an [\h__\h] to the

1003
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:38,430
people that's not it at all it's quite

1004
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:41,310
the opposite but you know you're dealing

1005
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,060
with human nature so you're gonna have

1006
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:46,500
ambitious you know knuckleheads

1007
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,190
[\h__\h] who are just you know out for

1008
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,680
themselves and you know the kind of guys

1009
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,200
that you know a lot of these guys

1010
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,420
they're not good doing the job they're

1011
00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:59,040
not good in the field so they go

1012
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:00,869
management and that's why you have

1013
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:02,790
knuckleheads a lot of times in

1014
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:05,790
management because you know they don't

1015
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:09,420
have any kind of natural investigative

1016
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:12,359
talent they don't have that curiosity in

1017
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,089
their psyche or that that thing that

1018
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:18,780
just makes you a natural investigator so

1019
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:20,730
you know they go management and in and

1020
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:24,300
in some many cases they do well there

1021
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:26,670
and that's really their calling you know

1022
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,470
because you have guys in the supervisory

1023
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:29,940
level whose job it is is to make sure

1024
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,190
the guys out in the field have the

1025
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,380
resources and such and they're really

1026
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,720
good at that and they respect what the

1027
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,440
mission is and they they like it so

1028
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,700
that's where they aim their strengths

1029
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,980
and again most of them are working to be

1030
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:46,560
that but yeah absolutely you have your

1031
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:49,290
certain number of you know knuckleheads

1032
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,150
and it's this is why we believe in

1033
00:46:58,310 --> 00:46:55,680
individual accountability right this is

1034
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,320
why we believe in let's identify who bad

1035
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:00,780
apples are ok let's shove a boot in

1036
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:03,300
their ass and get them out of there

1037
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:05,849
and why we always have to be visually

1038
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:09,180
it's why every law enforcement and every

1039
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:11,730
intelligence agency has an internal

1040
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,680
affairs to Park if if human nature you

1041
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,359
know you could hire a bunch of good

1042
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:20,160
people that never do wrong you would

1043
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,930
never have to have internal affairs but

1044
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,760
unfortunately we do our industry

1045
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,200
relations for those in the corporate

1046
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:27,300
world they're not there to protect you

1047
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:31,440
there to protect the company so now you

1048
00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:35,119
like because they did they have

1049
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:36,920
these types of internal departments

1050
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:37,609
which are supposed to be able to

1051
00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:39,140
investigate individuals that are there

1052
00:47:46,509 --> 00:47:43,069
you've been able to avoid this by as you

1053
00:47:49,029 --> 00:47:46,519
said dealing with much older secret

1054
00:47:51,279 --> 00:47:49,039
space program a subject matter and

1055
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:51,289
actually when I first started

1056
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:53,180
researching the secret space program

1057
00:47:57,759 --> 00:47:55,460
like way WAY long time ago I actually

1058
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:57,769
ran across one of one of your theories

1059
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:00,190
which was dealing with the early early

1060
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:05,660
UFOs what like even back then lately we

1061
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:06,740
weren't dealing with spacemen

1062
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:09,980
necessarily we were dealing with like

1063
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:14,569
durables or dirigible like or a Zeppelin

1064
00:48:22,059 --> 00:48:20,390
like craft I call in contraptions that's

1065
00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:22,069
what I call them that's steampunk right

1066
00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:23,480
there you're you're up my alley let you

1067
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:27,740
see the Hat there we go I got a few of

1068
00:48:31,329 --> 00:48:29,990
those let's kind of go through that just

1069
00:48:34,109 --> 00:48:31,339
because like I know that for some people

1070
00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:34,119
they may not necessarily know the

1071
00:48:38,259 --> 00:48:36,589
alleged source of the secret space

1072
00:48:40,299 --> 00:48:38,269
program they just hear time-traveling

1073
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,309
Space Marines on [\h__\h] Mars and they

1074
00:48:45,009 --> 00:48:41,839
don't know they don't know the original

1075
00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:45,019
[\h__\h] so it's little a you know as an an

1076
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:50,299
OG laid on me well it starts with you

1077
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:01,120
your your perceptions of what we're told

1078
00:49:07,029 --> 00:49:05,599
history is you have to be willing as you

1079
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:07,039
consider those so you have just

1080
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:09,470
temporarily you have to consider that

1081
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:12,200
maybe history is not what you've been

1082
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:14,900
taught that there's some elements of it

1083
00:49:19,180 --> 00:49:17,390
that have been pushed aside for whatever

1084
00:49:22,029 --> 00:49:19,190
reason that's a whole other discussion

1085
00:49:24,609 --> 00:49:22,039
itself once you're open to considering

1086
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:24,619
that you know the history for example of

1087
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:28,130
aviation may not be what we

1088
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:30,529
traditionally think you know that the

1089
00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:32,930
Wright brothers were the first was on it

1090
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,099
so then you can look at the historical

1091
00:49:47,799 --> 00:49:43,220
context that I present that that's

1092
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:47,809
actually out there with kind of you know

1093
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:49,849
a different perspective and you can see

1094
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:52,339
where people were working on certain

1095
00:50:00,190 --> 00:49:56,750
things that led to technologies that

1096
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,200
people you know have only allowed them

1097
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,690
still to themselves to suspect of the

1098
00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:05,599
20th century for instance you know all

1099
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:08,119
the lore and legends that for example

1100
00:50:13,059 --> 00:50:10,220
the the Nazis were working on

1101
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:13,069
anti-gravity this is for an example well

1102
00:50:20,019 --> 00:50:17,690
when you look at some of the things that

1103
00:50:22,029 --> 00:50:20,029
actual German scientists and other

1104
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:22,039
scientists from other parts were working

1105
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:25,480
on you begin to think well gee maybe

1106
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:28,010
somebody has been working on what we

1107
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:31,220
would call anti-gravity for longer than

1108
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:35,000
you know the Nazis had had been around

1109
00:50:41,529 --> 00:50:37,490
you know predating the Nazis and perhaps

1110
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:41,539
they got the idea and some data that

1111
00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:43,849
went into their research from somebody

1112
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:45,500
who had been working on it before that

1113
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:48,950
and when you look for that kind of thing

1114
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:52,849
you do indeed find it for instance a guy

1115
00:50:57,549 --> 00:50:55,849
named Oliver Heaviside in the 1890s was

1116
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:57,559
working on something called grab video

1117
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:01,520
gravida electromagnetics GE m and i go

1118
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:04,029
into that my book origin in detailed but

1119
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:06,710
that's an example of a guy who was

1120
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:10,130
working on some stuff that he

1121
00:51:15,309 --> 00:51:12,710
if they didn't achieve it the

1122
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:15,319
possibility of some type of anti what we

1123
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:17,930
would call anti-gravity was kind of

1124
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:21,680
there in their thinking and there's also

1125
00:51:28,569 --> 00:51:24,200
Tesla fooling around with the stuff he

1126
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:28,579
did and a guy named John Cillian and you

1127
00:51:34,359 --> 00:51:30,380
know some other guys and and you begin

1128
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,369
to see hmm you know again maybe this has

1129
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:35,839
been around longer and if it's been

1130
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,160
around longer then how far has it really

1131
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:42,319
developed now yes some of these things

1132
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:45,140
I'm describing you know there's people

1133
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:46,730
to say oh that's questionable that's

1134
00:51:50,859 --> 00:51:49,130
questionable but then again I already

1135
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,869
preface this by saying you've got to

1136
00:51:56,259 --> 00:51:52,880
think outside of your traditional box

1137
00:51:59,019 --> 00:51:56,269
okay because if something got developed

1138
00:52:01,329 --> 00:51:59,029
that the mainstream did not want out

1139
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,339
there they're gonna push it aside

1140
00:52:06,249 --> 00:52:04,400
they're gonna suppress it and say what

1141
00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:06,259
are you talking about that's not serious

1142
00:52:11,499 --> 00:52:08,420
you know we can't take this seriously

1143
00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:11,509
because we don't recognize it you kind

1144
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:14,119
of have to take your skeptics ass hat

1145
00:52:19,329 --> 00:52:17,359
off and enjoy having an open mind on

1146
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:19,339
something that might seem wild and crazy

1147
00:52:22,799 --> 00:52:19,880
to you

1148
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:22,809
in order to get to the nugget of

1149
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:27,529
possible truth with it and all of this

1150
00:52:31,799 --> 00:52:29,930
is what I was willing to do and take a

1151
00:52:33,789 --> 00:52:31,809
look at things in the 19th century

1152
00:52:36,999 --> 00:52:33,799
specifically because it was the threat

1153
00:52:42,789 --> 00:52:37,009
of this group called the Sonora Aero

1154
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,799
Club who allegedly were building flying

1155
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:44,839
machines they used some type of form of

1156
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:48,410
antigravity in the 1850s I mean what the

1157
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:50,329
hell are you kidding me this is a joke

1158
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:54,930
right but that was the

1159
00:53:02,569 --> 00:52:59,339
and that really led me to you know the

1160
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,579
German industrialists of the pre German

1161
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:04,559
unification back in the Prussian era of

1162
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:08,430
the early mid nineteenth century who you

1163
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:11,940
know were also involved with some you

1164
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:14,940
know some esoteric ideas and Hermeticism

1165
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:21,089
and things like that and know now on

1166
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:22,589
screen that this is a photo that I've

1167
00:53:26,299 --> 00:53:24,300
got up on screen for everyone in chat

1168
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:26,309
right now and it's my parents supposed

1169
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:27,990
to be the first claimed photograph of

1170
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:31,740
UFO which was taken somewhere over the

1171
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:32,790
USA

1172
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,500
it's a stereographic from 1870 actually

1173
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,119
again I I can't like this could be 3d

1174
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:41,400
generated for all I know that you to do

1175
00:53:46,579 --> 00:53:43,290
some crazy [\h__\h] with Photoshop nowadays

1176
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:46,589
there but like this is the the type of

1177
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:47,819
craft at least that was apparently seen

1178
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,740
and that's like a cigar shaped like more

1179
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:52,260
more or less your your standard sci-fi

1180
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:55,170
human looks to be you know what we could

1181
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,190
see in like Blade Runner or alien for

1182
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:02,640
instance but then so there there's some

1183
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:05,400
type of anachronistic visuals which kind

1184
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,020
of makes a little more believable to

1185
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:09,240
someone like myself I'm not sure if

1186
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:10,140
you've ever run it or brought across

1187
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:11,280
them like this but it's it's public

1188
00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:15,830
domain there you know

1189
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:18,920
this is stare graph formations on rock

1190
00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:21,890
not clouds to say here so yeah it's

1191
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:24,260
actually could be mountainous region

1192
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,770
the the issue with a photograph like

1193
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:35,160
that is you know of course the

1194
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:39,300
provenance of it it's in that article

1195
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:43,530
that says it emerged in 2002 by that

1196
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:46,410
time there were people you know that of

1197
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:47,670
course we're already interested in the

1198
00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:50,570
airship history and things like this and

1199
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:53,960
so unfortunately until the provenance

1200
00:54:59,720 --> 00:54:57,450
you know is a little better it's one of

1201
00:55:01,220 --> 00:54:59,730
those things that I mean personally I

1202
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,230
really hope that's an authentic

1203
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:03,540
photograph that would be totally cool

1204
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:07,680
but unfortunately we can't embrace it as

1205
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:11,250
such or a variety of obvious reasons but

1206
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:13,950
it's like I said this this photo is an

1207
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:15,630
example of what I was very awkwardly

1208
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:17,850
trying to get to where you know you just

1209
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:19,410
have to be willing to look at the

1210
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:21,840
historical context differently and once

1211
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:26,910
you do it does kind of reveal certain

1212
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:28,650
things that actually the clues were

1213
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:32,640
there and that's basically what I did

1214
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:36,390
with you know what I've done on break

1215
00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:38,040
wasted was a issued in secret space

1216
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:41,060
program stuff in the airship mystery

1217
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,920
I've shown where the thread of our base

1218
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:49,920
program in breakaway civilization it was

1219
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:52,770
backed to and through the airship

1220
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:56,880
mystery to this Sonora Aero Club and

1221
00:56:02,480 --> 00:55:59,630
their associates of the 1850s

1222
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:02,490
I'm an ostensibly back into ancient

1223
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,130
times is where the knowledge of some of

1224
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:07,890
this came from oh I'm sorry my zoom is

1225
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:11,520
starting to okay no oh there we go

1226
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:17,970
that's why I use T's and zoom ladies and

1227
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:21,300
gentlemen and transition over there we

1228
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:25,170
go so that was a lot more difficult than

1229
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:25,740
I expected

1230
00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:30,690
I mean I I would like to say I was going

1231
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:33,360
on a long thing there to describe you

1232
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:36,510
know to answer question and my answer

1233
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:39,210
was long and dry and that's a good

1234
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:42,750
example as to why a lot of people not a

1235
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,130
lot of people but some people

1236
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:47,130
will not like what I present because

1237
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:50,430
it's not always sexy it's not always

1238
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:53,010
constantly stimulating and exciting it's

1239
00:56:59,540 --> 00:56:56,930
a lot of you know plotting through

1240
00:57:03,370 --> 00:56:59,550
historical context and more dry things

1241
00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:03,380
but I think the result and the

1242
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:06,270
possibility is what's exciting now you

1243
00:57:09,590 --> 00:57:07,980
get there do you believe would be even

1244
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:09,600
more of a nuts-and-bolts investigator

1245
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:12,120
type of good you know type of guy do you

1246
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:15,330
believe that's UFOs or extraterrestrials

1247
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:19,110
do exist yes to me I think it's a

1248
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:23,430
logical conclusion yeah and I've been

1249
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:27,090
told they exist you know so between that

1250
00:57:30,350 --> 00:57:28,920
and all the other contexts going around

1251
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:30,360
yeah I'm in that camp

1252
00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:32,340
ETS of course exist and I think they

1253
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:36,600
come and go here and have you seen UFO

1254
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:37,980
yourself or have you investigated

1255
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,380
anything quite interesting as part of

1256
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:43,440
any or have you not have or have not you

1257
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:45,510
cannot confirm you may or may not have

1258
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:48,300
investigated while in the bureau or part

1259
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:51,030
of any other extra government

1260
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:55,350
organization no in my official capacity

1261
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:00,420
but I saw a UFO a little over three

1262
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:03,690
years ago with a witness with me and at

1263
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,390
this point I don't talk too much about

1264
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:08,460
it publicly because I'm in the middle of

1265
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:12,330
doing some analysis and discussing it

1266
00:58:17,570 --> 00:58:15,780
with some folks and you know I might

1267
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:17,580
discuss it in detail in the near future

1268
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:21,240
but it was you know it was one of those

1269
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:23,160
where it wasn't just a pinpoint of light

1270
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:26,700
you know up on the satellite altitude it

1271
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:29,340
was a pretty spectacular experience and

1272
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:34,950
so you know yeah I'm I believed UFOs are

1273
00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:40,140
real I have seen one and like for any of

1274
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,550
discussions that used to be out there

1275
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:46,880
because I know they were really big back

1276
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:48,140
in the day like the you know the the

1277
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:52,460
tier b3 Aurora they like those were such

1278
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:54,950
matters and secret space secret aircraft

1279
00:58:58,990 --> 00:58:57,380
that were thrown around a lot in terms

1280
00:59:00,640 --> 00:58:59,000
of their name or the fact that they

1281
00:59:04,330 --> 00:59:00,650
would just create you know weird sonic

1282
00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:04,340
booms or for instance the you know the

1283
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:06,620
European wave back in the early 90s of

1284
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:09,710
triangle aircraft you know that's

1285
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:10,970
actually aircraft that I've seen that I

1286
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:13,610
saw around that like around that era

1287
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:16,640
died maybe five or ten at that like I

1288
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:18,410
was I was earlier the younger than ten

1289
00:59:22,270 --> 00:59:20,450
and I know Michael hunch and didn't seen

1290
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:22,280
seen a triangle craft as well at least

1291
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:28,520
he claims to we always claimed what was

1292
00:59:32,350 --> 00:59:30,170
the main transition point like you said

1293
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,360
that that's Corey Goode and David

1294
00:59:37,390 --> 00:59:34,400
Wilcock he came in kind of at the right

1295
00:59:43,090 --> 00:59:37,400
time which to me seems like above mid

1296
00:59:46,090 --> 00:59:43,100
2000s my third the 2000 knots so what

1297
00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:46,100
was the main turning point for most of

1298
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:50,620
mostly craft even being discussed and is

1299
00:59:55,060 --> 00:59:53,330
this something that was pushed back by

1300
00:59:57,010 --> 00:59:55,070
the government to stop discussion on it

1301
01:00:01,870 --> 00:59:57,020
or was it just purely simple a marketing

1302
01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:01,880
issue that most of these speakers just

1303
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:08,700
well III think a lot of the people in

1304
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,810
the field you know like you know that

1305
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:13,020
write about this and speak about it and

1306
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:16,329
tell the zany stories in many cases I

1307
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:18,940
think it was just the natural direction

1308
01:00:26,099 --> 01:00:23,710
that ufology or you foolish is my friend

1309
01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:26,109
Joseph Ferrell likes to call it had

1310
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:29,020
reached as far as what I think about the

1311
01:00:32,849 --> 01:00:30,790
secret space program itself I think that

1312
01:00:38,490 --> 01:00:32,859
dates back to the 1950s very

1313
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:38,500
specifically and that's another part of

1314
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:41,470
the discussion but I I could see where

1315
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:46,000
there's definitely a stake on behalf of

1316
01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:49,839
that secret program to deflect people

1317
01:00:56,339 --> 01:00:54,700
from looking too closely at things from

1318
01:00:58,770 --> 01:00:56,349
figuring out too many things from

1319
01:01:01,260 --> 01:00:58,780
uncovering advanced technology because

1320
01:01:03,059 --> 01:01:01,270
here's what I think is you've got you've

1321
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:03,069
and this is going to answer your

1322
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:05,650
question specifically but what you've

1323
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:09,089
got is a secret space program which is

1324
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:12,310
essentially a military program okay and

1325
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,170
so it deals with classified technology

1326
01:01:20,670 --> 01:01:17,440
which in my opinion for the most part

1327
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:20,680
since the 1950s has generally been ten

1328
01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:22,930
to twenty years ahead I'm just throwing

1329
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:25,720
a number out of where NASA and other

1330
01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:31,510
military craft have been ok naturally

1331
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:34,180
like everything else as you got into the

1332
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:37,300
late 90s early 2000s with technology

1333
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:40,720
taking huge leaps that has also been the

1334
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:43,900
case for the masses being able to look

1335
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:46,690
at things and see things whereas before

1336
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:48,430
they were flying these advanced things

1337
01:01:53,309 --> 01:01:50,440
around and people had little Kodak

1338
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:53,319
Instamatic cameras or Polaroids or their

1339
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:56,800
little super 8 but you know or early

1340
01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:00,640
crude you know home video they didn't

1341
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:02,349
have to they still didn't have to worry

1342
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:04,390
about even in the app in a home video

1343
01:02:12,809 --> 01:02:08,470
but in this 21st century I mean you know

1344
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:12,819
your iPhone my iPhone has a as good if

1345
01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:15,310
not better lens than you know my HD

1346
01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:18,280
movie camera that I got five years ago

1347
01:02:23,730 --> 01:02:20,620
so they're contending with that and I

1348
01:02:26,670 --> 01:02:23,740
think they realize that they're not

1349
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:26,680
going to keep everything is easily

1350
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:29,830
hidden as they used to so what they have

1351
01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:32,410
to do now is play a different game a

1352
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:35,320
perception management game and that

1353
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:40,000
means getting a little closer and inking

1354
01:02:46,890 --> 01:02:43,390
the pool with things that are either

1355
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:46,900
just you know completely false or kind

1356
01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:51,370
of nudge the attention in the wrong

1357
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:53,590
direction wrong direction meaning you

1358
01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:56,290
know anywhere but on what the thing you

1359
01:03:02,040 --> 01:02:59,530
might really be and if you have to let

1360
01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:02,050
people capture images of what you're

1361
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,520
flying around up there in order to feed

1362
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,520
what your perception management is well

1363
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:12,160
that's good that that'll work you know

1364
01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:15,850
and I think that's what's what's going

1365
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:18,220
on at least from secret space program

1366
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:22,510
involvement in this stuff and you know

1367
01:03:26,340 --> 01:03:24,610
then there's the people doing what I

1368
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:26,350
would call the genomic research and then

1369
01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:29,770
there's the sideshow freaks you know the

1370
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:32,950
blue avian you know time jumping

1371
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:36,250
commando crap knowing that you're and

1372
01:03:40,590 --> 01:03:38,170
quite a role respected individual in the

1373
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:40,600
nuts and bolts I'm gonna say the nuts

1374
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:42,280
and bolts is still kind of a short form

1375
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:44,530
I'll say rationalist movement within you

1376
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:47,080
apology knowing that there was a split

1377
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,780
within the community because a bunch of

1378
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:51,660
us were just sick and tired of the

1379
01:03:58,350 --> 01:03:54,850
obviously fake [\h__\h] Act last year

1380
01:03:59,700 --> 01:03:58,360
and how have you been able to sustain

1381
01:04:01,920 --> 01:03:59,710
yourself in terms of your credibility

1382
01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:01,930
knowing that there are individuals out

1383
01:04:06,540 --> 01:04:03,880
there that may not actually want to deal

1384
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:06,550
with you how have you been able to to

1385
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:10,180
cope with that oh well I you know I feel

1386
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:13,990
like in the last several months I'm one

1387
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:15,850
of those who's just been you know pushed

1388
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:19,540
aside as a non-player in the most of the

1389
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:23,170
the media attention in our field I'm

1390
01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:26,500
certainly not the only one because there

1391
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,900
are bigger names in this and me but yeah

1392
01:04:38,609 --> 01:04:33,760
you know a lot of people they either

1393
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,619
want to hear that ridiculous fantasy

1394
01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:41,440
land new who AG brand of secret space

1395
01:04:47,250 --> 01:04:44,740
program crap or they just want to hear

1396
01:04:50,279 --> 01:04:47,260
guys like us bitching and moaning about

1397
01:04:53,549 --> 01:04:50,289
the zany New Age G brand see

1398
01:04:55,890 --> 01:04:53,559
so either way the attentions all on that

1399
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:55,900
whether you're critiquing it or whether

1400
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,700
you're part of it or embracing it and

1401
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:02,559
you know fortunately my research is

1402
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:05,460
diverse I you know I investigated

1403
01:05:13,890 --> 01:05:10,680
strange esoteric possibly if cult murder

1404
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:13,900
you know did three books of that before

1405
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:16,480
I did anything on breakaway civilization

1406
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:18,730
or secret space program and then you

1407
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:22,750
know I've also researched explorers who

1408
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,010
I think were looking for forgotten

1409
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:28,960
technology of lost civilizations I'd

1410
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:31,720
like to call so I fortunately have most

1411
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:34,089
of my work on other tracks so I just

1412
01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:39,599
kind of jump you know to that focus but

1413
01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:43,720
yeah I have found that there are you

1414
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:46,029
know a few people who are it's starting

1415
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:48,190
to grow in numbers that again want to

1416
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:51,010
hear about the more down-to-earth secret

1417
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:52,690
space program type research like the

1418
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,760
stuff that Joseph Ferrell and Kathryn

1419
01:05:59,819 --> 01:05:56,559
Austin Fitz and some of the more

1420
01:06:02,400 --> 01:05:59,829
technical expertise guys you know it's

1421
01:06:04,859 --> 01:06:02,410
funny is when I first came on the scene

1422
01:06:07,289 --> 01:06:04,869
and that stuff people thought I was the

1423
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:07,299
wacky zany one you know when I'm on the

1424
01:06:13,049 --> 01:06:09,609
stage with Farrell and Fitz and and then

1425
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:13,059
but then you know the other guys came

1426
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:16,089
out and it shows you how actually tame

1427
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:20,520
and more rational my stuff actually is

1428
01:06:28,589 --> 01:06:24,640
you know my my only wild thing I asked

1429
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,599
people to consider is the level of what

1430
01:06:33,779 --> 01:06:31,359
people were trying in an era where it

1431
01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:33,789
seems anachronistic that's really the

1432
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:36,990
craziest thing I ask people to consider

1433
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:41,770
and Al and I never debate or bicker I

1434
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:44,650
always say when I'm speculating I let my

1435
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:45,630
readers

1436
01:06:49,099 --> 01:06:47,130
and people who listen to me decide for

1437
01:06:51,980 --> 01:06:49,109
themselves I do not tell people what to

1438
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:51,990
think or what to believe like I said I

1439
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:55,559
refuse to bicker about stuff I kind of

1440
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:57,240
take the same tack and I know that Lee

1441
01:07:01,309 --> 01:06:59,130
is probably going Kris no you don't okay

1442
01:07:02,269 --> 01:07:01,319
there's a difference Lee what I do is

1443
01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:02,279
the wondering when somebody is

1444
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:04,230
completely [\h__\h] crazy I call them out

1445
01:07:07,220 --> 01:07:06,180
for being [\h__\h] crazy and I've got no

1446
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:07,230
problems with that because somebody's

1447
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,450
got to tell them at some point most

1448
01:07:12,859 --> 01:07:11,579
people you know they didn't get to slap

1449
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,869
it upside the head by their parents and

1450
01:07:16,759 --> 01:07:14,640
I'm not saying that I'm like their dad

1451
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:16,769
or anything I'm just the guy I willing

1452
01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:17,700
to say that the emperor has got no

1453
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,150
clothes cuz well crazy and especially if

1454
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,039
you think they're just biessing people

1455
01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:24,960
that's the other one that needs to be

1456
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:27,390
called out so so like that's kind of one

1457
01:07:30,529 --> 01:07:28,710
of the one of the things like if you

1458
01:07:32,089 --> 01:07:30,539
first got into this dealing with

1459
01:07:33,319 --> 01:07:32,099
contraptions and I'll use the do I'll

1460
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:33,329
use your term contraption because it

1461
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:35,480
actually does fit with the time period

1462
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:38,609
you use it that you were considered the

1463
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:42,119
crazy guy oh why would because it was a

1464
01:07:46,099 --> 01:07:43,859
dork a testicular what was so different

1465
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:46,109
in terms of the technology what was the

1466
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:48,569
the specific technology that that was

1467
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:52,079
being discussed or researched back then

1468
01:08:00,079 --> 01:07:55,890
by these extra government organizations

1469
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:00,089
or departments or you know groups I

1470
01:08:04,279 --> 01:08:01,710
guess at that point of the government

1471
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:04,289
was quite small compared to today like

1472
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:06,059
how did they do it like was it just like

1473
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:08,130
coal fire in a balloon that they would

1474
01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:10,680
send up in at the sky was their mercury

1475
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:12,630
like how did they power these damn

1476
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:16,500
things well yeah in the lore of the

1477
01:08:22,099 --> 01:08:19,739
Sonora Aero Club which we have from a

1478
01:08:25,579 --> 01:08:22,109
gentleman named Charles del Chou and his

1479
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:25,589
material dates back between the 1890s

1480
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,089
and up to 1923 they died which again

1481
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,880
predates the the Nazis you know

1482
01:08:39,979 --> 01:08:34,560
everybody thinks this stuff all started

1483
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:39,989
with the Nazis no it didn't what we have

1484
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:43,980
described by him is really what appears

1485
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,259
to be a chemical process of you know or

1486
01:08:55,459 --> 01:08:51,839
with an antigravity result according to

1487
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:55,469
del show now right now there's people

1488
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,330
that are screaming saying he was just an

1489
01:09:03,390 --> 01:08:59,440
outsider artist he was

1490
01:09:05,729 --> 01:09:03,400
with an imagination John pictures I

1491
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:05,739
can't help you there that's not my

1492
01:09:11,579 --> 01:09:09,489
audience here you're just not going to

1493
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:11,589
you know be comfortable

1494
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:14,020
considering that del Chou might very

1495
01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:16,150
well have been telling the truth as he

1496
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:18,670
witnessed it but but it's a chemical

1497
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:21,730
process which is very similar chemical

1498
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:24,310
and mechanical process which when put

1499
01:09:31,559 --> 01:09:28,420
together is very similar to you know

1500
01:09:33,809 --> 01:09:31,569
this material about ancient Vimanas and

1501
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,819
you mentioned the mercury yeah you're

1502
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,529
talking about what some have come to

1503
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:38,319
call the mercury vortex engine where you

1504
01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:42,910
have a liquid solution that gets put in

1505
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:46,569
a rotating spinning device so there's a

1506
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:49,210
rotation there's spent and there's some

1507
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:52,930
type of chemical you know liquid

1508
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:57,000
material going which causes a reaction

1509
01:10:02,700 --> 01:09:59,770
which somehow you know creates the

1510
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:02,710
antigravity that's the basic answer to

1511
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:04,030
what you're asking about you know what

1512
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:06,850
were they working on and you know it

1513
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:11,860
didn't require to fly you know these

1514
01:10:18,689 --> 01:10:14,910
things were made of wood and in and

1515
01:10:20,939 --> 01:10:18,699
canvas and and light materials and you

1516
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:20,949
know they it was proof of concept that's

1517
01:10:24,959 --> 01:10:22,330
the thing I like to emphasize in the

1518
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:24,969
1850s with the Sonora era club you're

1519
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:27,130
talking very much to this proof of

1520
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:30,489
concept okay I do this chart in my book

1521
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:32,890
origin and I do it in my talk at the

1522
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,170
secret space program once great where I

1523
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:37,840
have this I show the comparison the

1524
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:41,199
analogy the arrows these flying machines

1525
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:43,960
of the 1850s are comparable to the Ford

1526
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:47,350
Model T okay the Ford Model T was a kind

1527
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:49,870
of a proof of concept early just basic

1528
01:10:57,390 --> 01:10:54,010
on mobile right okay then the airships

1529
01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:57,400
of the 1890s 40 years later were a bit

1530
01:11:00,990 --> 01:10:59,110
more sophisticated and advanced and

1531
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:01,000
larger and that's kind of like what a

1532
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:04,750
1958 Buick was to a Ford Model T okay

1533
01:11:11,550 --> 01:11:07,630
what the 1890s airship was to the 1850s

1534
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,560
aero was what the 58 Buick was to the

1535
01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:13,280
Model T and then when

1536
01:11:20,859 --> 01:11:16,699
you get up to that classic legendary

1537
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:20,869
Nazi flying saucer or up to the s4 model

1538
01:11:29,529 --> 01:11:25,610
right the 80s 90s or whatever this is to

1539
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:29,539
the airship and the arrow what the 1985

1540
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:32,329
Porsche was to the 58 view it's the

1541
01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:34,820
Model T so you follow me that's that's

1542
01:11:40,779 --> 01:11:38,030
my analogous chart and that and and in

1543
01:11:42,669 --> 01:11:40,789
that between the images that we have

1544
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:42,679
from del show in his description of what

1545
01:11:47,979 --> 01:11:45,320
the sonora arrows and I say arrow it's

1546
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:47,989
spelled a gr l like aeroplanes and stuff

1547
01:11:56,169 --> 01:11:52,730
these arrows when you see then the

1548
01:11:58,689 --> 01:11:56,179
description of the 1890s airship and

1549
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,699
then of course the Nazi flying saucer

1550
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:00,800
that I just laid out and described with

1551
01:12:05,169 --> 01:12:03,110
this automobile comparison you begin to

1552
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:05,179
see well well gosh yeah okay there was a

1553
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:07,369
progression there was a development of

1554
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:10,190
the technology neither I nor Dell shower

1555
01:12:16,569 --> 01:12:13,400
anybody else is saying that the 1850s

1556
01:12:18,850 --> 01:12:16,579
contraptions were the same as a modern

1557
01:12:20,379 --> 01:12:18,860
flying saucer that's ridiculous

1558
01:12:23,919 --> 01:12:20,389
nobody's saying that some people have

1559
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:23,929
accused me of saying that and and the

1560
01:12:30,129 --> 01:12:27,050
1890s airships were not the equivalent

1561
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:30,139
of you know the tr3 or whatever it is

1562
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:32,239
that that would be ridiculous but what

1563
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,690
they are is a clear within the context

1564
01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:38,000
of the available information it's a

1565
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,949
clear progression of this technology but

1566
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:41,360
you can see over a period of about

1567
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:45,710
seventy to a hundred years and it it's

1568
01:12:50,890 --> 01:12:48,050
compelling if you're willing to give it

1569
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:50,900
some serious consideration now how does

1570
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:52,520
this character like the ancient past of

1571
01:12:56,379 --> 01:12:53,900
South America because I know you spend a

1572
01:12:58,569 --> 01:12:56,389
lot of time down there and I know you've

1573
01:12:59,560 --> 01:12:58,579
done a few talks on them but you know

1574
01:13:01,299 --> 01:12:59,570
it's always good to be able to hear

1575
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:01,309
these things firsthand myself and I I

1576
01:13:04,330 --> 01:13:03,110
honestly just you know did an actual

1577
01:13:06,189 --> 01:13:04,340
listen to the interview unfortunately

1578
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:06,199
it's kind of one of those things I

1579
01:13:10,810 --> 01:13:07,730
listen I can listen to jazz and keep my

1580
01:13:13,859 --> 01:13:10,820
daughter asleep or I can do research I I

1581
01:13:16,299 --> 01:13:13,869
cooked the same choice I picked the jazz

1582
01:13:18,129 --> 01:13:16,309
but how did you connect the two because

1583
01:13:20,529 --> 01:13:18,139
we're dealing with 1800s and you know

1584
01:13:22,899 --> 01:13:20,539
you're also looking at ancient lost

1585
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:22,909
civilizations of the you know

1586
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:25,380
Mesoamerica and South America which

1587
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:26,550
talking hundreds to thousands of years

1588
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:30,210
old if you say that homo punku was made

1589
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:33,050
by aliens I'm hanging up on you yeah I

1590
01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:42,680
okay I'm not sure I understand the

1591
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:43,429
question

1592
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:46,290
how are you like how are your travels to

1593
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:48,810
meso and South America and trying to

1594
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:52,350
connect the origins the ancient origins

1595
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:55,110
of the secret space program which in the

1596
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:57,650
United States started in the 1850s ish

1597
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:00,780
how did you know theoretically I did

1598
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:02,610
what to you is the link what was the aha

1599
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,380
moment and how did you carry that

1600
01:14:08,489 --> 01:14:06,000
forward how did how did you try and link

1601
01:14:16,060 --> 01:14:12,729
well as far as the ancient civilization

1602
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:16,070
connection the way what I have seen and

1603
01:14:22,450 --> 01:14:18,530
and what I have presented is that you

1604
01:14:26,529 --> 01:14:22,460
have have had for centuries these you

1605
01:14:29,609 --> 01:14:26,539
know hermetic society organizations

1606
01:14:32,919 --> 01:14:29,619
Freemasons were involved in this and

1607
01:14:36,879 --> 01:14:32,929
these were guys who you know you're a

1608
01:14:39,549 --> 01:14:36,889
Mason you know that the interest is the

1609
01:14:41,739 --> 01:14:39,559
lost secrets that the Forgotten

1610
01:14:43,839 --> 01:14:41,749
civilization you know the secrets for

1611
01:14:46,330 --> 01:14:43,849
instance that were embedded upon and

1612
01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:46,340
within jaqen and boas and that that lost

1613
01:14:53,950 --> 01:14:50,590
civilization and they've been searching

1614
01:14:59,950 --> 01:14:53,960
for the clues and the remaining evidence

1615
01:15:03,040 --> 01:14:59,960
in a folk of reconstructing this lost

1616
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:03,050
technology of which the evidence we have

1617
01:15:09,609 --> 01:15:07,070
for is like megalithic architecture you

1618
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,619
know the some of these old old

1619
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:11,840
structures you have in south america and

1620
01:15:16,569 --> 01:15:13,670
and literally all over the world that

1621
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:16,579
are clearly built in the same style you

1622
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:21,380
know Childress and and Rand Hancock and

1623
01:15:24,939 --> 01:15:23,510
and many others have pointed this out

1624
01:15:30,219 --> 01:15:24,949
they've demonstrated this

1625
01:15:34,509 --> 01:15:30,229
so as these organizations through a few

1626
01:15:36,969 --> 01:15:34,519
centuries now maybe longer have been

1627
01:15:39,009 --> 01:15:36,979
looking for the stuff they've found what

1628
01:15:41,529 --> 01:15:39,019
they found they've analyzed it they put

1629
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:41,539
it together you know chances are they

1630
01:15:45,969 --> 01:15:43,489
found stuff that they have a publicized

1631
01:15:48,339 --> 01:15:45,979
and this stuff you know members of these

1632
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,349
organizations would have access or they

1633
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:50,719
would hire people to go out the field to

1634
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:52,610
find more of it and those guys would get

1635
01:15:58,330 --> 01:15:55,010
access and just through the passage of

1636
01:16:01,209 --> 01:15:58,340
time then you have a like-minded

1637
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:01,219
organization that decides let's put this

1638
01:16:07,390 --> 01:16:04,729
stuff to use let's apply this stuff

1639
01:16:09,939 --> 01:16:07,400
we've found and see what result we get

1640
01:16:11,739 --> 01:16:09,949
and that's what I argue what I had

1641
01:16:15,459 --> 01:16:11,749
of--this eyes the Sonora Aero Club was

1642
01:16:18,129 --> 01:16:15,469
doing they were guys who had access to

1643
01:16:21,589 --> 01:16:18,139
this through esoteric hermetic societies

1644
01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:21,599
now you who were these guys exactly

1645
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:25,670
the Sonora era Club was predominantly

1646
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:28,199
German and this is where the German this

1647
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,329
is why the not in my opinion how the

1648
01:16:35,209 --> 01:16:32,880
Nazis learned all the stuff they were

1649
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,219
doing in this regard was because it was

1650
01:16:41,089 --> 01:16:37,920
these German guys who were involved with

1651
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:41,099
you know the esoteric societies that

1652
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:44,130
world and the Sonora era club was

1653
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:47,010
predominantly German immigrants who came

1654
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,590
to the United States to get as far away

1655
01:16:53,629 --> 01:16:51,900
from Europe and specifically Germany as

1656
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:53,639
possible and when they came to the

1657
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:55,560
United States in the 1850 is where did

1658
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:57,210
they go they didn't go to New York or

1659
01:17:04,100 --> 01:16:58,650
they didn't go to Florida they went to

1660
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:04,110
California and there were a few Italians

1661
01:17:11,780 --> 01:17:07,290
in the mix they were mostly the ranchers

1662
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:11,790
who provided a place for these Germans

1663
01:17:15,859 --> 01:17:13,590
to have their workshops in building

1664
01:17:18,919 --> 01:17:15,869
these flying arrows and to use them as

1665
01:17:20,629 --> 01:17:18,929
hangers and you know a few of the

1666
01:17:24,919 --> 01:17:20,639
Italian ranchers were members and

1667
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:24,929
designed some of these things but it was

1668
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,790
these German immigrants in the case of

1669
01:17:31,069 --> 01:17:28,800
the Sonoran Aero Club now there were

1670
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:31,079
others out there there was a guy named

1671
01:17:37,359 --> 01:17:33,449
Solomon Andrews who I talk about my book

1672
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:37,369
Michael Busby talks about it in his and

1673
01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:40,530
Solomon Andrews according to a newspaper

1674
01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:43,400
account from the Civil War era

1675
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:46,590
demonstrated I think in 1863 a flying

1676
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:48,690
machine that was not a dirigible it was

1677
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,610
not a hot-air balloon

1678
01:17:58,939 --> 01:17:54,000
two officers of Lincoln's War Department

1679
01:18:01,879 --> 01:17:58,949
and I think Solomon Andrews technology

1680
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:01,889
was obtained by the US government the

1681
01:18:05,839 --> 01:18:03,449
u.s. War Department at the time and

1682
01:18:08,959 --> 01:18:05,849
after the war was over I think they

1683
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:08,969
started to develop it and I think that

1684
01:18:14,839 --> 01:18:11,030
development over the course of the next

1685
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:14,849
25 to 30 years resulted in what we call

1686
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:18,630
the 1896 airship history now you

1687
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:20,070
mentioned Freemasons and you mentioned

1688
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:21,630
Freemasons a few times and you know we

1689
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:23,010
haven't had in anyone on the show

1690
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:25,260
because I booked the guest so thank God

1691
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:26,820
we have anybody on the show who said

1692
01:18:29,810 --> 01:18:28,440
that they're evil or that they're trying

1693
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:29,820
to take over the world or you know they

1694
01:18:32,759 --> 01:18:31,409
do all this other crazy [\h__\h] which we

1695
01:18:34,859 --> 01:18:32,769
honestly yield

1696
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,869
we gets drunk on scotch every now and

1697
01:18:38,220 --> 01:18:36,400
again you know there's the occasional

1698
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:38,230
version we do sacrifice to our Dark Lord

1699
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:41,170
Baal may his fires be upon you and I'm

1700
01:18:45,739 --> 01:18:42,369
told that without one I'm going to get

1701
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,749
in trouble on but like were these guys

1702
01:18:49,799 --> 01:18:48,159
like were they bad guys they just were

1703
01:18:51,509 --> 01:18:49,809
they just some crazy guys who just

1704
01:18:55,939 --> 01:18:51,519
wanted to build some cool [\h__\h] and fly

1705
01:18:58,500 --> 01:18:55,949
around yeah they they were just guys who

1706
01:19:01,950 --> 01:18:58,510
first of all you know they believed that

1707
01:19:06,770 --> 01:19:01,960
there was a civilization way way way

1708
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:06,780
back which was technologically advanced

1709
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,980
they believed that they were looking at

1710
01:19:12,450 --> 01:19:10,719
the evidence of it that had been

1711
01:19:14,129 --> 01:19:12,460
collected by explorers and

1712
01:19:16,620 --> 01:19:14,139
archaeologists for centuries leading up

1713
01:19:18,569 --> 01:19:16,630
to them and you know they wanted to

1714
01:19:20,129 --> 01:19:18,579
develop this stuff they you know why

1715
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,139
today but the ever why did the Wright

1716
01:19:23,009 --> 01:19:21,760
brothers build an airplane because you

1717
01:19:26,129 --> 01:19:23,019
know they wanted to see if they could do

1718
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:26,139
it and so these particular guys you know

1719
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,130
would get some information and it would

1720
01:19:36,629 --> 01:19:31,840
just inspire them motivate them to do it

1721
01:19:38,339 --> 01:19:36,639
just to see if they could and there was

1722
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:38,349
nothing in my opinion nothing nefarious

1723
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:42,400
about at all now it was in the app the

1724
01:19:49,229 --> 01:19:46,239
potential application of it where the

1725
01:19:50,970 --> 01:19:49,239
Sonora Aero Club had their difference in

1726
01:19:53,459 --> 01:19:50,980
their break with the mysterious

1727
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:53,469
organization that del shell talks about

1728
01:20:00,239 --> 01:19:56,440
called nimza which I have attempted to

1729
01:20:02,939 --> 01:20:00,249
extrapolate upon who you know my

1730
01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:02,949
analysis and hypothesis of available you

1731
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:06,940
know historical incident info and they

1732
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:10,650
were a very secretive organization

1733
01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:14,170
according to Dale show and in my

1734
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:18,760
hypothesis and they have I think they're

1735
01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:24,030
still around but they had an objective

1736
01:20:33,509 --> 01:20:27,940
to use what the Sonora Aero Club

1737
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:33,519
guys were building were developing for

1738
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:38,130
military purposes and you know nefarious

1739
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:41,199
industrial purposes which the Sonora

1740
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:43,449
Aero Club guys were opposed to they did

1741
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:45,710
not want their stuff used for

1742
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:50,820
military for war and so they had a

1743
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:53,730
little difference of opinion with their

1744
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:57,330
parent organization that we know only

1745
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:00,960
his nibs it now I I've never seen that

1746
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,490
word but like I've probably heard it

1747
01:21:06,980 --> 01:21:04,080
it's it sounds familiar but it was

1748
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:06,990
probably from a conference you did about

1749
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:09,630
two years ago and I've never heard it

1750
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:12,050
before I do not recognize the acronym

1751
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:14,040
freemasons we deal with acronyms that's

1752
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:15,630
pretty much most of what our code is is

1753
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:17,610
acronyms and I've never seen it before

1754
01:21:25,730 --> 01:21:21,330
and you know I've so even for myself I

1755
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:25,740
don't even think it's it's York right so

1756
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:26,610
it stands for something

1757
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:28,530
oh it's not a sonic names there's

1758
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:30,810
nothing to do with masonry okay it's

1759
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:34,890
it's not my son I think they're you know

1760
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:37,770
a you you know this as well as I do you

1761
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:40,370
know you can help guys who are Masons

1762
01:21:46,730 --> 01:21:43,050
associated with another organization as

1763
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:46,740
such but nimza itself I'm convinced is

1764
01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:51,300
an acronym that comes from you know it's

1765
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:55,590
a German language acronym for the name

1766
01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:58,560
of the organization itself and then it

1767
01:22:03,170 --> 01:22:00,660
also has kind of like Egyptian

1768
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:03,180
hieroglyphs and it has a double meaning

1769
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:05,460
in its application then I get into all

1770
01:22:15,970 --> 01:22:11,970
this in my book origin but it it has

1771
01:22:20,060 --> 01:22:15,980
been around obviously since Dell shall

1772
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:20,070
his stuff was discovered it was away in

1773
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:22,500
boxes and it was discovered unexpectedly

1774
01:22:31,460 --> 01:22:28,650
and inverter is in 1971 by a guy named

1775
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:31,470
Pete Navarro he was the first real

1776
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:35,450
scholar of Bell shout out there and then

1777
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,770
anybody who really looked at the airship

1778
01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:39,540
mystery that you know the few guys that

1779
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:41,640
wrote stuff out there Tim Schwartz Jean

1780
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,890
Casteel Michael Busby steal diamonds

1781
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:48,480
these were the guys who I learned about

1782
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:53,130
nimza and del G del through in front so

1783
01:22:58,649 --> 01:22:56,880
it was it was out there but it was

1784
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:58,659
always out there just you

1785
01:23:06,430 --> 01:23:00,639
Slean it will pretty much in connection

1786
01:23:10,060 --> 01:23:06,440
to del L shell and some folks had

1787
01:23:13,709 --> 01:23:10,070
kind of uncovered up what looked like an

1788
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:13,719
insane connection to the 1890s New York

1789
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:17,570
esoteric milieu you that they were

1790
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,420
backers and fans of John Keeley who I

1791
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,400
mentioned earlier who allegedly was

1792
01:23:26,530 --> 01:23:24,080
doing stuff with anti-gravity and fans

1793
01:23:27,970 --> 01:23:26,540
of Tesla and stuff like that and that

1794
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:27,980
was really all that was out there and

1795
01:23:34,060 --> 01:23:30,110
that's where I learned about it and when

1796
01:23:36,129 --> 01:23:34,070
I started looking deeper and and really

1797
01:23:41,379 --> 01:23:36,139
analyzing this whole German thing I came

1798
01:23:43,870 --> 01:23:41,389
up with a suggested translation of the

1799
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:43,880
acronym what I think the acronym could

1800
01:23:56,729 --> 01:23:51,440
mean so that's where this whole analysis

1801
01:23:59,649 --> 01:23:56,739
of nibsy is currently now moving on to

1802
01:24:01,360 --> 01:23:59,659
I'm gonna skip over that the 1920s is

1803
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:01,370
because you know nothing ever good had

1804
01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:03,710
nothing ever good happened there because

1805
01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:05,510
it had prohibition so [\h__\h] [\h__\h] that

1806
01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:08,600
I like my booze go going to Nazi Germany

1807
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:10,520
and I'm gonna but I'm gonna put my

1808
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:13,370
rationalist hat on and I'm going to

1809
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:15,409
challenge you on a point and I'd like

1810
01:24:21,879 --> 01:24:18,110
you be able to respond on this okay is

1811
01:24:25,419 --> 01:24:21,889
there any evidence of Germany having it

1812
01:24:28,990 --> 01:24:25,429
having a UFO and I'm not gonna say and

1813
01:24:31,629 --> 01:24:29,000
again the Operation Paperclip we only

1814
01:24:33,070 --> 01:24:31,639
have first-hand accounts there is still

1815
01:24:34,660 --> 01:24:33,080
there there's no actual physical

1816
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:34,670
evidence there's no photographs is no

1817
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:36,620
video there's nothing beyond right a

1818
01:24:40,959 --> 01:24:38,510
couple of people who said you know this

1819
01:24:43,629 --> 01:24:40,969
stuff happened at the same time it's

1820
01:24:45,939 --> 01:24:43,639
like I could say that I'm I'm space

1821
01:24:46,990 --> 01:24:45,949
Jesus and it's you know people should

1822
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,000
pay me money to go to a conference

1823
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:50,560
because I'm space Jesus awareness so how

1824
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:55,489
did you uncover this you know the fact

1825
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:57,290
that Germany had had this technology

1826
01:25:01,360 --> 01:24:58,639
what was the evidence that you found

1827
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:01,370
because I'm hearing the stories I

1828
01:25:05,379 --> 01:25:03,530
haven't seen any like it not not a nut

1829
01:25:08,110 --> 01:25:05,389
not a bolt the only thing I've seen is

1830
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,120
like an archway for the Bell and that

1831
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:09,679
could have had anything on it that could

1832
01:25:16,290 --> 01:25:13,489
have had Rockets in it yeah that that

1833
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:16,300
thing about the big Stonehenge thing

1834
01:25:23,860 --> 01:25:19,489
that's you know the closer you look at

1835
01:25:25,959 --> 01:25:23,870
it I'm kind of neutral on that if it

1836
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:25,969
proves to have been a thing for the Bell

1837
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,330
okay great I'm fine I'm not convinced

1838
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:31,840
but I don't I don't think that the whole

1839
01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:36,380
argument for the Bell rests on that that

1840
01:25:39,939 --> 01:25:38,630
hinge thing I think that's just a thing

1841
01:25:42,459 --> 01:25:39,949
that Igor Witkowski

1842
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:42,469
saw and pointed to and said mmm that

1843
01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:46,130
this is what this might have been I I'm

1844
01:25:51,250 --> 01:25:47,630
not in that school of thought that

1845
01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:51,260
thinks the Nazis had a flying saucer I

1846
01:25:57,370 --> 01:25:54,460
think that's just stuff that came

1847
01:25:58,840 --> 01:25:57,380
post-world war ii that's been mostly

1848
01:26:01,000 --> 01:25:58,850
made up like people getting this over

1849
01:26:04,930 --> 01:26:01,010
had a boom it was real no no there's no

1850
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:04,940
evidence for it zero if I refer to the

1851
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,310
Nazi UFO thing I am referring to what

1852
01:26:17,169 --> 01:26:12,159
they were doing with the alleged Bell

1853
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:17,179
okay because here's the thing there I

1854
01:26:23,410 --> 01:26:20,960
think there's more to argue for the Bell

1855
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:23,420
for them you know doing this thing with

1856
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:25,340
the Bell then there is for this Hanabi

1857
01:26:29,649 --> 01:26:27,409
saucer for any kind of flying saucer so

1858
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:29,659
no there is no evidence for a Nazi

1859
01:26:36,879 --> 01:26:33,199
saucer at all but this Bell thing and

1860
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:36,889
why do I give the you know the Bell any

1861
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:38,630
kind of legitimacy because the

1862
01:26:47,860 --> 01:26:43,130
description of it the context and what

1863
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:47,870
we can point to on it is identical to

1864
01:26:53,879 --> 01:26:50,150
what the guys in the Sonora Aero Club

1865
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:53,889
were doing here's what's interesting

1866
01:26:59,439 --> 01:26:56,690
Stephen Romano who's a guy who's put out

1867
01:27:03,850 --> 01:26:59,449
an excellent book on the del shell

1868
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:03,860
artwork that shows all these arrows he's

1869
01:27:07,450 --> 01:27:05,810
pointed some stuff out to me and we were

1870
01:27:12,209 --> 01:27:07,460
we were talking about some of the photos

1871
01:27:20,459 --> 01:27:15,209
I saw an image drawn I think in the

1872
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:20,469
1890s by Del Chou that is the bell now

1873
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:22,570
this was drawn in the 1890s and the

1874
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,449
description of how it works is exactly

1875
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:28,239
the bell and that predates remembered L

1876
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:30,940
shall died in 1923 okay he wasn't

1877
01:27:34,979 --> 01:27:33,010
friends with Rudolf Hess and all that he

1878
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:34,989
died in Texas you know he came to

1879
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:37,260
America in the 1850s in his state and

1880
01:27:44,939 --> 01:27:42,910
here he is and on more than one of his

1881
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:44,949
images dating back to the 1890s in the

1882
01:27:51,330 --> 01:27:48,730
1910s there's the Bell and I'd put this

1883
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:51,340
in origin and I think one of my other

1884
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:53,890
books but there's the Bell at Empire the

1885
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:56,250
wheel - I think friends from sonora

1886
01:28:03,000 --> 01:27:57,760
there it is

1887
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:03,010
in arguably and again it predates the

1888
01:28:08,459 --> 01:28:06,340
Nazis themselves so when people say oh

1889
01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:08,469
this Bell thing is a bunch of nonsense

1890
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:11,219
there's absolutely no evidence there's

1891
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:15,670
del shell okay his artwork a man who was

1892
01:28:24,540 --> 01:28:19,330
dead before the rise the formation of

1893
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,550
the Nazis now Peter in chat is asking

1894
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:26,800
what do you think these German people

1895
01:28:31,410 --> 01:28:29,650
found is it a type of power source it is

1896
01:28:33,810 --> 01:28:31,420
it a way to use natural phenomena

1897
01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:33,820
through physics and chemistry or is it a

1898
01:28:38,750 --> 01:28:34,989
new elements

1899
01:28:42,260 --> 01:28:38,760
you know like Lazar says

1900
01:28:45,530 --> 01:28:42,270
well you know with the Bell you have

1901
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:45,540
this serum is what they would call it

1902
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:47,310
that would be pumped in between the

1903
01:28:54,890 --> 01:28:50,790
counter rotating cylinders and del chou

1904
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,900
said that in the 1850s the the gentleman

1905
01:28:59,620 --> 01:28:56,520
who the german gentleman who was the

1906
01:29:04,520 --> 01:28:59,630
leader of the group he had developed

1907
01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:04,530
this liquid it was green in color but

1908
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:08,070
this liquid that would be dripped onto

1909
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:14,100
the rotating element in some cases it

1910
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,150
was literally bell-shaped and so there

1911
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:20,760
you have that you know the same process

1912
01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:25,410
now obviously that's a that's a chemical

1913
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:28,830
process that's then causing the reaction

1914
01:29:34,610 --> 01:29:31,950
the desired reaction of anti-gravity I'm

1915
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:34,620
not a chemist I I can't describe the

1916
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:36,600
scientific specifics of that but but

1917
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:38,370
those are the basics now where would

1918
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:40,890
they have got this from well again you

1919
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:45,120
had German esoteric a satiric societies

1920
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:47,250
dating back to the days of the Te'o

1921
01:29:54,460 --> 01:29:49,980
tonic Knights the Teutonic Knights who

1922
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:54,470
were beneficiaries of stuff captured

1923
01:29:59,660 --> 01:29:56,130
specifically during the Fourth Crusade

1924
01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:59,670
in Constantinople where they had their

1925
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,080
version of the Library of Alexandria

1926
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:03,600
that had a bunch of you know lost

1927
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:06,330
technology lost civilization type stuff

1928
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:10,020
and what's interesting is these German

1929
01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:12,930
esoteric societies really you know start

1930
01:30:19,250 --> 01:30:17,490
forming after that crusade in in part

1931
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:19,260
and parcel with the Teutonic Knights and

1932
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,810
so through the you know the intervening

1933
01:30:26,540 --> 01:30:24,480
years you have these guys doing their

1934
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,550
little out chemical tests and trying

1935
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:28,320
this that the other until you get to the

1936
01:30:33,290 --> 01:30:30,930
point where you have these Germans

1937
01:30:35,180 --> 01:30:33,300
coming to the States going as far out

1938
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:35,190
the middle of what was then nowhere as

1939
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:38,370
they could get to really try these ideas

1940
01:30:43,460 --> 01:30:41,070
so we don't know anything about Peter

1941
01:30:45,980 --> 01:30:43,470
menace other than from the del shell

1942
01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:45,990
material but I would argue that he was

1943
01:30:51,230 --> 01:30:48,270
probably he and some of his cohorts were

1944
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:51,240
probably members of one or more of these

1945
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:52,050
as

1946
01:30:58,189 --> 01:30:56,250
turrets societies and that's where they

1947
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:58,199
got the information and they developed

1948
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,840
it to the point they could and then that

1949
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:02,960
gets built upon and built upon further

1950
01:31:10,010 --> 01:31:05,730
until you get to the bell in the 20th

1951
01:31:12,589 --> 01:31:10,020
century skipping ahead to later on in

1952
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:12,599
the 20th century I'm gonna start at

1953
01:31:16,970 --> 01:31:14,010
least going to more of the nuts and

1954
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:16,980
bolts the actual secret space program at

1955
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:18,780
least but I called just the secret space

1956
01:31:27,109 --> 01:31:22,290
program you know there is there's the

1957
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:27,119
flux liner which was tryna member the

1958
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:31,710
names I know that's the for crying out

1959
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,760
loud I was a James II Alan mm-hm

1960
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:38,480
and you know he referred to the programs

1961
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:42,510
as a history of novel Poulsen dealing

1962
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:45,570
with electrogravitics and I think that

1963
01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:50,130
was like 1950s 1960s and recently you

1964
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:51,900
know you'd have people like dr. Steven

1965
01:31:59,839 --> 01:31:55,920
Greer whom you know like when I first

1966
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:59,849
heard of Greer it was very rationally

1967
01:32:04,069 --> 01:32:02,340
sounding in terms of the way that the

1968
01:32:06,049 --> 01:32:04,079
information was presented and how you

1969
01:32:08,180 --> 01:32:06,059
know the technology had a real basis in

1970
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:08,190
reality and then he started talking

1971
01:32:12,500 --> 01:32:09,690
about interdimensional aliens that foam

1972
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:12,510
around the Pentagon and I'm like okay

1973
01:32:15,260 --> 01:32:14,820
now that's a little yeah a little little

1974
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:15,270
out there

1975
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:19,500
see ya and you know you you're still

1976
01:32:25,220 --> 01:32:22,860
dealing with these individuals that you

1977
01:32:28,399 --> 01:32:25,230
know we're apparently doing almost full

1978
01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:28,409
diagrams of the flux liner which was the

1979
01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:31,590
you know the your classic kind of half

1980
01:32:36,919 --> 01:32:35,159
wedged half cone like a tick a cone chop

1981
01:32:38,660 --> 01:32:36,929
it off the the top at the bottom or at

1982
01:32:39,740 --> 01:32:38,670
all you know top of the middle and UFO

1983
01:32:41,839 --> 01:32:39,750
kind of look like that with a dome on

1984
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:41,849
top and it was still running off of

1985
01:32:49,459 --> 01:32:45,239
mercury like a mercury turbine yeah like

1986
01:32:51,049 --> 01:32:49,469
II from the 1940s and 50s with with the

1987
01:32:53,089 --> 01:32:51,059
Nazis and they're supposed to UFOs and

1988
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:53,099
the fact that Roswell happened and I

1989
01:32:58,700 --> 01:32:54,000
know you've got a connection with that

1990
01:33:02,439 --> 01:32:58,710
how did the how do you link the the the

1991
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:02,449
90s to mid 2000 secret space program to

1992
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:04,739
let's say Roswell

1993
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,130
what's the time line for you when you

1994
01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:10,800
say 90s mm secret space program what do

1995
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:12,390
you mean specifically and in terms of

1996
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:15,090
like the usage within the pop popular

1997
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:18,030
culture lexicon and you know it being

1998
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:20,370
prominent within the within the

1999
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:24,090
conference yeah that's that's the medium

2000
01:33:29,150 --> 01:33:25,650
through which it's discussed but do you

2001
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:29,160
mean this advanced spacefleet kind of

2002
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:31,140
speaker space program well going from

2003
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:32,880
Ellie against solar warden is a name

2004
01:33:36,410 --> 01:33:34,380
that has been thrown around a lot I know

2005
01:33:38,570 --> 01:33:36,420
that there was that hacker out of the UK

2006
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:38,580
who did apparently he had hacked into

2007
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:40,770
the Pentagon and did find you know four

2008
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:42,600
manifests yeah and whether that's

2009
01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:45,600
actually true or not I you know think it

2010
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,950
was more or less say well I'm just gonna

2011
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:48,000
throw this out there and they're they're

2012
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:49,290
gonna think I'm so [\h__\h] crazy they're

2013
01:33:53,690 --> 01:33:52,800
not gonna do anything with me but it had

2014
01:33:56,030 --> 01:33:53,700
to start somewhere there had to have

2015
01:33:58,370 --> 01:33:56,040
been something to it and Roswell some

2016
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,380
people fall into one of two schools of

2017
01:34:01,850 --> 01:34:00,719
one of three schools of thought there

2018
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:01,860
was a weather balloon like it was

2019
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:03,000
actually a weather balloon and they're

2020
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:04,170
like oh it was weather balloon that's it

2021
01:34:08,780 --> 01:34:06,690
you know you know it was a Soviets

2022
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:08,790
weather balloon or some sort time of

2023
01:34:14,540 --> 01:34:11,370
Soviet item would shred you're saying it

2024
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:14,550
was not or was actually a UFO and that's

2025
01:34:20,030 --> 01:34:15,840
kind of where we got the started to get

2026
01:34:22,270 --> 01:34:20,040
the technology from how can you describe

2027
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:22,280
your connection first of all to Roswell

2028
01:34:31,190 --> 01:34:28,739
well my connection is this and again to

2029
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:31,200
blow a product I written an entire book

2030
01:34:36,770 --> 01:34:34,170
on this shimmering light my father had

2031
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:36,780
been telling me a story for several

2032
01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:39,360
years I've decided that I really needed

2033
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:42,630
to dig into it and write about it see

2034
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:46,010
what I could find but essentially he in

2035
01:34:53,150 --> 01:34:51,210
his bigger story part of it was he was

2036
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:53,160
taken to Roswell

2037
01:34:59,690 --> 01:34:55,770
to wright-patterson Air Force Base in

2038
01:35:03,110 --> 01:34:59,700
1958 and briefed on what happened at

2039
01:35:05,150 --> 01:35:03,120
Roswell now people say damn it Mosely

2040
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:05,160
why was your dad so special okay

2041
01:35:10,820 --> 01:35:08,910
my dad worked the aerospace medicine

2042
01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:10,830
division of the Air Force at that time

2043
01:35:16,820 --> 01:35:14,460
he was a physiological training

2044
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:16,830
specialist worked in a fuzzy electrical

2045
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:17,730
training unit

2046
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,030
George air force base and that dealt

2047
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:23,520
with training and preparing pilots for

2048
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:26,910
high altitude flight and he had a very

2049
01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:29,850
high clearance and was involved in the

2050
01:35:36,290 --> 01:35:33,390
early days of mercury when it was an Air

2051
01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:36,300
Force space program our manned space

2052
01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:38,070
program started with the US Air Force

2053
01:35:46,190 --> 01:35:41,340
and NASA didn't exist now when NASA was

2054
01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:46,200
founded the you know mercury was handed

2055
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:49,380
over to NASA but I and others would

2056
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:52,080
argue that the public face of mercury

2057
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:53,880
the public mercury effort was handed

2058
01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:57,840
over to NASA we have no reason to think

2059
01:36:03,080 --> 01:35:59,780
that the Air Force did not continue

2060
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:03,090
pursuit of manned space flight well my

2061
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:06,330
dad was in that mill you see and when I

2062
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:08,280
explained what I think the state of the

2063
01:36:11,810 --> 01:36:09,840
secret space program and its origin was

2064
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,820
I'll get into this but because of what

2065
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:13,920
my dad did in the Air Force he had

2066
01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:17,400
clearance to be briefed in on space

2067
01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:21,480
program level stuff therefore he said

2068
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:24,600
that a crash had occurred a UFO crash

2069
01:36:28,670 --> 01:36:27,330
had occurred in Arizona in 1958 and that

2070
01:36:30,530 --> 01:36:28,680
he and the other guys he was working

2071
01:36:33,979 --> 01:36:30,540
with we're going to be part of the

2072
01:36:36,590 --> 01:36:33,989
recovery effort I have a document

2073
01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:36,600
showing that he was part of a recovery

2074
01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:41,640
team crash recovery team for it airplane

2075
01:36:47,930 --> 01:36:44,790
crashes and stuff anyway and on the way

2076
01:36:48,979 --> 01:36:47,940
to be a part of this recovery effort he

2077
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:48,989
and the guys were taken to

2078
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:50,910
wright-patterson and briefed on what

2079
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:54,900
crashed at Roswell and he said he was

2080
01:37:04,040 --> 01:36:59,340
told that it was not extraterrestrial it

2081
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:04,050
was a human civilization that exists on

2082
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:07,710
this planet with us that chooses to

2083
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:10,800
remain hidden from you know the masses

2084
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:14,250
that kind of thing and as sexy as that

2085
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,010
is and as exciting as that it is and as

2086
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:19,920
much as you could point to a historical

2087
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:23,520
lore and stuff to support that story I

2088
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:25,770
have to be an objective investigator and

2089
01:37:30,990 --> 01:37:27,210
I don't care if it's my dad or my mom

2090
01:37:35,530 --> 01:37:31,000
okay I'm gonna be objective and look

2091
01:37:40,930 --> 01:37:38,920
and of course what I think I found and

2092
01:37:44,770 --> 01:37:40,940
what my hypotheses and speculations are

2093
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:44,780
are all in the book but that's that's

2094
01:37:50,980 --> 01:37:49,520
why my dad if he you know truly was

2095
01:37:53,050 --> 01:37:50,990
briefed at raw as well and I have no

2096
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:53,060
reason to think he wasn't I was told by

2097
01:37:59,680 --> 01:37:55,490
a superior officer later in my career

2098
01:38:02,620 --> 01:37:59,690
that that's true that he was that's why

2099
01:38:05,650 --> 01:38:02,630
he was briefed at Roswell is because of

2100
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:05,660
his background with Air Force at the

2101
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:08,690
time space technology now the next

2102
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:10,370
question being is that how can you trust

2103
01:38:14,620 --> 01:38:12,650
somebody who lied to you for the first

2104
01:38:16,540 --> 01:38:14,630
half of your life because if you were

2105
01:38:17,620 --> 01:38:16,550
led to believe in Santa Claus and the

2106
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:17,630
Easter Bunny and you find out that

2107
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:19,370
shit's not true before you become a

2108
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:22,190
teenager that's that that's a major [\h__\h]

2109
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:25,550
right there like you know like that

2110
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:27,530
stuff that took a kid years to get over

2111
01:38:33,130 --> 01:38:31,310
telling you did did Santa and the Easter

2112
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:33,140
Bunny really wrap around your excellent

2113
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:35,230
badly oh hell no I was always woke

2114
01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:38,960
kidding me it's like nods dad to me you

2115
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:41,150
know I told my kids Santa Claus existed

2116
01:38:47,020 --> 01:38:44,690
you know it's it's that's more of a

2117
01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:47,030
that's part of the right of childhood

2118
01:38:52,180 --> 01:38:50,060
and and that's part of the enjoyment of

2119
01:38:56,440 --> 01:38:52,190
childhood and you know we we I don't

2120
01:38:59,200 --> 01:38:56,450
like the idea of you know telling

2121
01:39:02,460 --> 01:38:59,210
children all reality how it is cold

2122
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:02,470
harsh and taking away that that

2123
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:05,690
imaginative I just I disagree with that

2124
01:39:10,750 --> 01:39:08,810
you know doing that so to me I don't

2125
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:10,760
look at it as all I was I was lied to

2126
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:14,930
nefariously I mean you know that there

2127
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:16,850
there are white lies lies and damned

2128
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:22,820
I don't have a problem with that okay

2129
01:39:29,690 --> 01:39:27,210
well if now remember I think it's

2130
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:29,700
possible that my dad was lied to that

2131
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:33,090
what he told me was a planted narrative

2132
01:39:37,850 --> 01:39:35,490
because you got to remember what what I

2133
01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:37,860
discovered that I didn't know was how

2134
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:40,710
steeped the Air Force at the time he was

2135
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:43,320
in and how steep the Air Force was into

2136
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:45,930
MKULTRA okay they were the most

2137
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:52,080
enthusiastic government customer of the

2138
01:39:59,120 --> 01:39:54,930
CIA's MKULTRA plan the Air Force loved

2139
01:40:01,340 --> 01:39:59,130
it now in 1973 the CIA had to go before

2140
01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:01,350
Congress and come clean about their

2141
01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:03,030
MKULTRA program and everything they'd

2142
01:40:07,370 --> 01:40:05,100
been doing good and blutbad

2143
01:40:09,470 --> 01:40:07,380
guess what to this day the Air Force

2144
01:40:11,930 --> 01:40:09,480
never has had to and they started their

2145
01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:11,940
own MKULTRA technology program in the

2146
01:40:21,290 --> 01:40:16,860
50s early 60s so my dad was telling what

2147
01:40:24,050 --> 01:40:21,300
he sincerely believed to be the truth

2148
01:40:26,420 --> 01:40:24,060
I'm trying to find information MKULTRA

2149
01:40:28,190 --> 01:40:26,430
and Wikipedia just keeps spitting out it

2150
01:40:32,630 --> 01:40:28,200
was a American alternative band that

2151
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:32,640
played from 1999 yeah that irritates the

2152
01:40:36,380 --> 01:40:34,260
hell out of me when I'm do I'm trying to

2153
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:36,390
hash tag or I'm doing something MKULTRA

2154
01:40:40,340 --> 01:40:38,790
and that frigging band is what pops up

2155
01:40:43,540 --> 01:40:40,350
on the top of the search they must have

2156
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:43,550
paid google right it's apparently also a

2157
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:45,810
it's a song by the British rock band

2158
01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:48,480
Muse off from their album earn album the

2159
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:51,830
resistance and apparently was also a

2160
01:40:57,650 --> 01:40:54,690
progressive metal band from progressive

2161
01:41:01,040 --> 01:40:57,660
metal bands named per Fieri which had a

2162
01:41:02,780 --> 01:41:01,050
2015 album called juggernaut hey wait a

2163
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:02,790
minute maybe maybe I got it wrong maybe

2164
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:05,100
it was the CIA that paid Google to move

2165
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:08,070
that stuff up to clarify like what

2166
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:10,020
exactly was the program because I've

2167
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,210
seen it thrown around for a long time

2168
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:15,360
you know I'm a guy who understands that

2169
01:41:20,210 --> 01:41:18,090
conspiracy has kept power and let people

2170
01:41:22,540 --> 01:41:20,220
acquire power for millennia within our

2171
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:22,550
own civilization so it's the way that we

2172
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:27,390
you know we as beings move up the ladder

2173
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:30,380
if you've got a very very strong alpha

2174
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,890
you know it's it's up to a bunch of the

2175
01:41:38,420 --> 01:41:35,820
it's up to a bunch of the betas to be

2176
01:41:45,710 --> 01:41:38,430
able to to get together to overthrow

2177
01:41:50,780 --> 01:41:45,720
that alpha or if the Alpha goes bad if

2178
01:41:52,670 --> 01:41:50,790
it goes bad the other alphas should get

2179
01:41:54,170 --> 01:41:52,680
involved with bringing that bad alpha

2180
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:54,180
down and that's kind of the idea so

2181
01:41:57,710 --> 01:41:55,530
these these types of like conspiracy

2182
01:42:00,650 --> 01:41:57,720
does happen you know Rome being a for

2183
01:42:01,790 --> 01:42:00,660
example so absolutely but even for me

2184
01:42:03,170 --> 01:42:01,800
like the some of the stories that are

2185
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:03,180
coming out and I know that a lot of

2186
01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:04,410
people may have been embellishing and

2187
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:05,940
there are some people that even I know

2188
01:42:09,470 --> 01:42:07,860
myself that are like you know they will

2189
01:42:11,690 --> 01:42:09,480
say like I was part of MKULTRA okay do

2190
01:42:12,980 --> 01:42:11,700
you have any proof no but I have all

2191
01:42:16,970 --> 01:42:12,990
these great stories like that's great

2192
01:42:18,650 --> 01:42:16,980
I'm I hear you time-traveling commando

2193
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:18,660
on Mars like you know there is always

2194
01:42:23,210 --> 01:42:20,610
that precedent what exactly was the

2195
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:23,220
program how did it start how did it end

2196
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:24,840
and what do you think the Air Force is

2197
01:42:31,070 --> 01:42:28,680
still doing with it well here's when you

2198
01:42:32,630 --> 01:42:31,080
look at it actually you find that some

2199
01:42:34,340 --> 01:42:32,640
stuff that you might initially go oh

2200
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:34,350
that couldn't have been true you find

2201
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:35,140
out

2202
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:36,850
crap that was true they were trying to

2203
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:40,300
do that essentially in the Cold War they

2204
01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:43,510
were paranoid about what the enemy could

2205
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:47,860
get from a cruise or pilots of downed

2206
01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:51,760
aircraft so they got it into their heads

2207
01:43:01,080 --> 01:42:54,640
that these Soviets and the Chinese were

2208
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:01,090
using psychology you know to you know

2209
01:43:08,670 --> 01:43:05,710
get into the minds of ostensibly you

2210
01:43:10,830 --> 01:43:08,680
know a downed pilot to get what their

2211
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:10,840
mission was that kind of thing and then

2212
01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:13,330
they began to believe that what they

2213
01:43:18,090 --> 01:43:15,910
were trying to develop was a technology

2214
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:18,100
of mind control where they could get

2215
01:43:23,310 --> 01:43:20,740
into that downed pilots mind and then

2216
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:23,320
release him back to the States and then

2217
01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:26,140
he would be a remote-controlled double

2218
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:28,630
agent two Manchurian Candidate so this

2219
01:43:34,620 --> 01:43:33,040
was the concern so with enthusiasm and

2220
01:43:38,130 --> 01:43:34,630
much Glee on the parts of some

2221
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:38,140
scientists they jumped into number one

2222
01:43:43,770 --> 01:43:41,080
trying to understand what they suspected

2223
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:43,780
the Russians and Chinese were doing with

2224
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:46,210
this stuff and then out of that came

2225
01:43:50,610 --> 01:43:48,610
well if we're gonna understand what

2226
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:50,620
they're doing might be doing with time

2227
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:53,170
control we need to develop mind control

2228
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,290
so they started to develop mind control

2229
01:44:03,330 --> 01:43:58,480
to understand what the enemy was doing

2230
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:03,340
and then out of that after they learned

2231
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:07,210
all this wild stuff then someone got the

2232
01:44:10,890 --> 01:44:09,310
idea well wait a minute we're learning a

2233
01:44:12,990 --> 01:44:10,900
bunch of things on you know

2234
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,000
theoretically on how to control human

2235
01:44:18,330 --> 01:44:15,040
minds let's see if we can develop this

2236
01:44:20,370 --> 01:44:18,340
into an operative status in other words

2237
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:20,380
you have an operative you want to be

2238
01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:22,210
able to just like you see in the movie

2239
01:44:27,210 --> 01:44:23,560
Manchurian Candidate you want to be able

2240
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:27,220
to call enough say a keyword it flips

2241
01:44:32,820 --> 01:44:30,400
that switch they go do their mission

2242
01:44:35,370 --> 01:44:32,830
they return you call them at the

2243
01:44:37,740 --> 01:44:35,380
appropriate time say the next key word

2244
01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:37,750
the switch goes off and they

2245
01:44:42,570 --> 01:44:40,030
theoretically would not remember what

2246
01:44:45,630 --> 01:44:42,580
they had done operationally and this was

2247
01:44:47,310 --> 01:44:45,640
done truly in the spirit of oh it'll be

2248
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:47,320
great for operational security

2249
01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:48,880
if a guy can't remember

2250
01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:52,060
what you know he did on the mission he

2251
01:44:56,580 --> 01:44:53,500
won't be talking about it with anyone

2252
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:56,590
right well this is what the objectives

2253
01:45:02,910 --> 01:44:59,920
were and out of this a bunch of

2254
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:02,920
nefarious crap was done you know if

2255
01:45:07,950 --> 01:45:05,679
you've watched this wormwood show on I

2256
01:45:11,700 --> 01:45:07,960
think it's Netflix maybe Hulu I think

2257
01:45:13,950 --> 01:45:11,710
it's Netflix yeah it's all about what

2258
01:45:17,180 --> 01:45:13,960
I'm talking about here and specifically

2259
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:17,190
the development and use of

2260
01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:20,530
hallucinogenics LSD for example was

2261
01:45:26,459 --> 01:45:23,980
developed from German scientists who had

2262
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:26,469
done it first played with it first but

2263
01:45:30,810 --> 01:45:28,449
it was greatly developed by the CIA for

2264
01:45:32,970 --> 01:45:30,820
this program and Frank Olson ended up

2265
01:45:35,070 --> 01:45:32,980
jumping out of a window or being thrown

2266
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:35,080
out of a window and killing himself

2267
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:37,510
because they had tested it on him he was

2268
01:45:42,810 --> 01:45:40,210
an MKULTRA CIA scientist and they had

2269
01:45:45,810 --> 01:45:42,820
tested it on him unwittingly at first

2270
01:45:47,610 --> 01:45:45,820
and that was just one example of

2271
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,620
something going wrong but they were

2272
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:49,840
doing this kind of stuff on other people

2273
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:52,510
and there were guys who wanted to do

2274
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:55,449
nasty mind control things like dr.

2275
01:46:02,129 --> 01:45:59,460
Cameron up there in Canada at the

2276
01:46:04,860 --> 01:46:02,139
facility in Canada that they were doing

2277
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:04,870
this at the CIA and he developed what he

2278
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:07,330
called psychic driving and that was

2279
01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:10,360
where they were trying to pursue the

2280
01:46:17,399 --> 01:46:13,480
ability to plant false memories in the

2281
01:46:20,850 --> 01:46:17,409
human mind and they were having some

2282
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:20,860
success with this in the 50s and it was

2283
01:46:25,919 --> 01:46:23,650
during this time that the US Air Force

2284
01:46:28,979 --> 01:46:25,929
was really embracing and Kay ultra stuff

2285
01:46:32,610 --> 01:46:28,989
and this really turned them on so that's

2286
01:46:36,180 --> 01:46:32,620
why I argue in my dad's case that they

2287
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:36,190
used psychic driving possibly on him and

2288
01:46:42,689 --> 01:46:38,830
implanted this false narrative in his

2289
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:42,699
memory of this other civilization that

2290
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,040
had gone underground and this is what

2291
01:46:52,919 --> 01:46:48,639
crashed when actually what I proposed

2292
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:52,929
possibly happened was that a craft from

2293
01:46:59,220 --> 01:46:56,080
what was our early developing classified

2294
01:47:02,280 --> 01:46:59,230
space program went down and he was

2295
01:47:06,090 --> 01:47:02,290
probably part of a retrieval of that

2296
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:06,100
and for better OPSEC you know they MK

2297
01:47:12,750 --> 01:47:10,030
ULTRA to him this is my hypothesis based

2298
01:47:13,410 --> 01:47:12,760
on my research the info I was given and

2299
01:47:18,510 --> 01:47:13,420
snow

2300
01:47:21,900 --> 01:47:18,520
but yeah so MKULTRA was all about oh and

2301
01:47:24,330 --> 01:47:21,910
ultimately it was also - when I

2302
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:24,340
mentioned about having the the operative

2303
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,890
that you could flip the switch they were

2304
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:29,920
trying to develop then assassins using

2305
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:32,170
this that was a serious part of the

2306
01:47:37,230 --> 01:47:35,110
program - to develop an assassin who

2307
01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:37,240
wouldn't know what he or she was doing

2308
01:47:41,490 --> 01:47:40,030
when the switch was off why wouldn't

2309
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:41,500
they just use like what the Russians do

2310
01:47:46,590 --> 01:47:43,180
and just like put some polonium in your

2311
01:47:50,190 --> 01:47:46,600
you know your coffee well they they you

2312
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,200
know for the most part you know I don't

2313
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:51,840
think there's a whole bunch of MKULTRA

2314
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:54,690
assassins go walking around out there

2315
01:47:59,010 --> 01:47:57,130
remember this this is what they were

2316
01:48:02,160 --> 01:47:59,020
hoping to develop what they were

2317
01:48:04,170 --> 01:48:02,170
shooting for and what I think is you

2318
01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:04,180
know that your reach that exceed your

2319
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:07,300
grass or it usually does I think in the

2320
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:09,970
pursuit of this ultimate mind control

2321
01:48:14,250 --> 01:48:12,250
agent assassin I think the things they

2322
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:14,260
discovered and developed along the way

2323
01:48:24,630 --> 01:48:23,250
do I think the Air Force or anyone the

2324
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:24,640
government would still use this stuff

2325
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:27,010
today yes I don't see why not

2326
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:29,730
I have I personally experienced any

2327
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:32,530
incidence of it other than the situation

2328
01:48:38,610 --> 01:48:37,090
with my dad not that I'm aware of now

2329
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:38,620
your one thing I know I know that you've

2330
01:48:43,620 --> 01:48:40,570
you've discussed this a couple of times

2331
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:43,630
on your Facebook page and that's with

2332
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:48,480
regards to your ability to Remote View

2333
01:48:52,650 --> 01:48:50,770
release to you if you've at least

2334
01:48:56,550 --> 01:48:52,660
dabbled in it or you've had training in

2335
01:48:58,050 --> 01:48:56,560
it I know that we've got a couple people

2336
01:49:01,230 --> 01:48:58,060
in chat that we've never seen before

2337
01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:01,240
there's a Joseph who is writing by the

2338
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:03,100
way the men who stared at goats sucks

2339
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:05,590
it's propaganda you've got individuals

2340
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:07,840
but I think it was Craig who said the

2341
01:49:14,430 --> 01:49:11,020
the books were great there was varying

2342
01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:14,440
degrees of believability or opinions on

2343
01:49:18,540 --> 01:49:16,750
the subject of remote viewing I'm of the

2344
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:18,550
mind that I got to see the [\h__\h] work

2345
01:49:21,420 --> 01:49:20,110
firsthand and I've talked to a couple

2346
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:21,430
friends of mine who are like ok cool I

2347
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:23,350
think I've I think even we even set up a

2348
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:25,210
test with you that I was just too busy

2349
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:33,600
to actually follow up so how did you

2350
01:49:38,250 --> 01:49:36,760
what what what the hell can you describe

2351
01:49:41,070 --> 01:49:38,260
remote viewing as far as what it was for

2352
01:49:43,530 --> 01:49:41,080
where where it came from and how like

2353
01:49:45,540 --> 01:49:43,540
how you developed it right and I just

2354
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:45,550
want to preface this I'm by no means an

2355
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:48,400
expert in the first time I did hear

2356
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,150
about it was in 1986 and I'll get back

2357
01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:53,920
to that but essentially remote viewing

2358
01:50:02,340 --> 01:49:58,930
is using a protocol a discipline

2359
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:02,350
protocol to really the best way I can

2360
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:04,690
describe out of my own words is to throw

2361
01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:06,460
your consciousness and this is a way it

2362
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:09,700
was described to me in 86 throwing your

2363
01:50:22,430 --> 01:50:19,400
at a distant target picking up data on

2364
01:50:24,890 --> 01:50:22,440
that target from the best way I can

2365
01:50:28,420 --> 01:50:24,900
describe does from the ether some people

2366
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:28,430
would say out of your ass you know and

2367
01:50:36,370 --> 01:50:32,370
you know being able to communicate what

2368
01:50:39,260 --> 01:50:36,380
you're seeing or convey it in

2369
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:39,270
descriptors which are words short

2370
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:42,090
sentences and you know an actual drawing

2371
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:46,560
I I apologize I'm not that great at

2372
01:50:50,690 --> 01:50:48,840
describing you know a textbook

2373
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,700
definition but people can look it up

2374
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:52,800
anyone listening can just Google remote

2375
01:50:56,300 --> 01:50:54,600
viewing and you or scientific remote

2376
01:50:58,820 --> 01:50:56,310
viewing more specifically or I think in

2377
01:51:00,860 --> 01:50:58,830
some cases I call it CRV and you'll get

2378
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:00,870
the more textbook definition but

2379
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:06,810
basically that's what it is and in my

2380
01:51:15,110 --> 01:51:11,340
personal experience I was rather

2381
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:15,120
surprised at the results from from the

2382
01:51:21,230 --> 01:51:18,690
get-go it it was startling in my opinion

2383
01:51:24,650 --> 01:51:21,240
a good way I dug it I'm not one of those

2384
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:24,660
to get scared about these things I dug

2385
01:51:32,150 --> 01:51:26,970
it I thought wow this is this is kind of

2386
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:32,160
cool as [\h__\h] works now recently I've

2387
01:51:38,270 --> 01:51:35,280
been doing some studies regarding

2388
01:51:40,750 --> 01:51:38,280
psychology on some other issues and I

2389
01:51:46,130 --> 01:51:40,760
stumbled upon a piece of information

2390
01:51:48,230 --> 01:51:46,140
that I'm gonna look at what the

2391
01:51:50,420 --> 01:51:48,240
materials that I was trained the method

2392
01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:50,430
I was trained on a remote viewing a

2393
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,430
little closer because as an objective

2394
01:52:01,380 --> 01:51:55,440
investigator what I saw in this

2395
01:52:08,730 --> 01:52:04,560
makes me suspicious of an aspect of the

2396
01:52:11,220 --> 01:52:08,740
training I was given like what

2397
01:52:13,230 --> 01:52:11,230
like you know initial results or the

2398
01:52:14,820 --> 01:52:13,240
test you know it was kind of rigged by

2399
01:52:18,150 --> 01:52:14,830
something that the mind is already

2400
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:18,160
predisposed to do and I'm very honest

2401
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:21,760
that yeah there could be something fishy

2402
01:52:29,820 --> 01:52:25,810
about that that aside using the

2403
01:52:34,590 --> 01:52:29,830
discipline the method I was taught I was

2404
01:52:37,770 --> 01:52:34,600
getting results but very soon what I

2405
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:37,780
started getting was what I've been told

2406
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:39,850
by other people that when I Remote View

2407
01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:44,080
I do it on an archetypal level I'm not

2408
01:52:48,270 --> 01:52:46,450
the guy who people claim that if you

2409
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:48,280
know oh I can't find the car keys oh

2410
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:50,110
okay do remote viewing and you'll find

2411
01:52:55,110 --> 01:52:50,890
the car keys

2412
01:52:58,610 --> 01:52:55,120
okay I'm not I'm not good at that the

2413
01:53:02,730 --> 01:52:58,620
stuff I get ends up being connected

2414
01:53:05,370 --> 01:53:02,740
synchronistically to other things that

2415
01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:05,380
either I'm researching or investigating

2416
01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:08,860
for instance my Empire the wheel stuff

2417
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:12,280
involves Hecate the goddess Hecate that

2418
01:53:18,060 --> 01:53:14,890
lore related to her well one of the

2419
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:18,070
first things I did as a you know remote

2420
01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:23,710
viewing guy you know what student I got

2421
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:26,230
what is the equivalent of like a glyph

2422
01:53:36,660 --> 01:53:32,530
and that a glyph pointed me to Hecate in

2423
01:53:38,930 --> 01:53:36,670
the analysis of it ultimately and to

2424
01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:38,940
this day it's still very strange that

2425
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:41,800
that's what came through because I knew

2426
01:53:51,780 --> 01:53:47,920
nothing about Hecate law at the time so

2427
01:53:53,940 --> 01:53:51,790
on the one hand yeah I think it's real

2428
01:54:00,030 --> 01:53:53,950
there's a real thing there on the other

2429
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:00,040
hand I think that the methodology and

2430
01:54:09,930 --> 01:54:06,010
the strict discipline of it of the

2431
01:54:14,340 --> 01:54:09,940
format of the there's a word that the

2432
01:54:15,299 --> 01:54:14,350
protocol I think is misleading to a lot

2433
01:54:16,949 --> 01:54:15,309
of people and

2434
01:54:20,369 --> 01:54:16,959
I think in some cases kind of

2435
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:20,379
intentionally in other cases you know

2436
01:54:25,619 --> 01:54:23,050
not intentionally but basically the

2437
01:54:28,589 --> 01:54:25,629
method I was taught had 12 steps to it

2438
01:54:30,179 --> 01:54:28,599
and I very quickly began to realize

2439
01:54:32,909 --> 01:54:30,189
after step 4

2440
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,919
the remain the remaining steps are

2441
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:34,719
superfluous they're not necessary and

2442
01:54:37,739 --> 01:54:36,159
the guy who was training me got

2443
01:54:40,020 --> 01:54:37,749
frustrated with me until he talked to

2444
01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:40,030
the guy who developed the method we were

2445
01:54:43,859 --> 01:54:41,800
using and that guy they independently

2446
01:54:45,389 --> 01:54:43,869
said hey you know what Jeff actually I

2447
01:54:48,659 --> 01:54:45,399
found out that after step 4 it's all

2448
01:54:54,839 --> 01:54:48,669
useless and it kind of vindicated what I

2449
01:54:58,189 --> 01:54:54,849
was telling him so I don't think you

2450
01:55:04,199 --> 01:54:58,199
need to be as strict as some of the

2451
01:55:06,659 --> 01:55:04,209
protocol guys insist at least I found

2452
01:55:08,699 --> 01:55:06,669
that you don't I think there's a basic

2453
01:55:12,179 --> 01:55:08,709
heart of whatever this remote viewing

2454
01:55:14,969 --> 01:55:12,189
thing is and once you have experience

2455
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:14,979
with that and I think you can you can do

2456
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:21,760
it in a much more simple protocol and I

2457
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:32,550
what about remote viewing

2458
01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:34,330
you know like far-off locations I know

2459
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:36,489
the the idea originally for remote

2460
01:55:40,890 --> 01:55:37,810
viewing from what I can recall from our

2461
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:40,900
last discussion offline was that it was

2462
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:45,360
essentially created as a means to

2463
01:55:51,660 --> 01:55:48,420
operationally get information for

2464
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:51,670
information gathering you know yes in

2465
01:55:58,650 --> 01:55:56,290
Intel Intel and you see some people who

2466
01:56:00,900 --> 01:55:58,660
will claim to be remote viewing you know

2467
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:00,910
to like actually stars far outside of

2468
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:03,520
our solar system where there are you

2469
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:04,719
know there there are beings there and

2470
01:56:10,140 --> 01:56:07,590
they will describe entire situations

2471
01:56:11,479 --> 01:56:10,150
about where they currently are and it's

2472
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:11,489
it's also a matter of like okay well

2473
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:13,810
you'll reviewing has been measured in a

2474
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:16,570
lab before what you're stating as far as

2475
01:56:19,650 --> 01:56:17,920
remote viewing that's a little that you

2476
01:56:21,090 --> 01:56:19,660
know that's a little more believable a

2477
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:21,100
lot more people probably do it without

2478
01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:25,510
even realizing it then yes I think yeah

2479
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:27,190
I think we're supposed to be such high

2480
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:31,360
level masters that they can you know to

2481
01:56:37,439 --> 01:56:33,850
take over the body of some alien being

2482
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:37,449
on a planet somewhere and interact or

2483
01:56:42,630 --> 01:56:39,760
even just observe through this through

2484
01:56:45,450 --> 01:56:42,640
the eyes of another being how credible

2485
01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:45,460
is something like that and you know is

2486
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:49,420
this more case of [\h__\h] going after

2487
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:52,050
the money or is there something to it

2488
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:54,850
it's all of it I mean yeah I think

2489
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,610
there's a lot of people that talk RV and

2490
01:57:02,970 --> 01:56:59,920
play with it and it's [\h__\h] going

2491
01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:02,980
after money or attention remember in

2492
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:04,660
this field we're talking about this

2493
01:57:09,689 --> 01:57:07,090
field I'm and others are in you have a

2494
01:57:12,540 --> 01:57:09,699
lot of attention horse people that are

2495
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:12,550
just folks that you know how many times

2496
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:13,810
have you been in a group of people and

2497
01:57:17,070 --> 01:57:15,610
you know this guy that guys talking

2498
01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:17,080
about having seen a flying saucer and

2499
01:57:22,610 --> 01:57:19,510
there's always that one childlike person

2500
01:57:24,810 --> 01:57:22,620
I I saw one two guys but really I did

2501
01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:24,820
you know and there's the people that

2502
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:26,830
want to belong and they want to be

2503
01:57:34,020 --> 01:57:30,489
included and so you know they saw one to

2504
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:34,030
I I think you have that factor you know

2505
01:57:40,020 --> 01:57:36,370
with any of the stuff or if you included

2506
01:57:42,420 --> 01:57:40,030
you know so you know between going for

2507
01:57:45,180 --> 01:57:42,430
money you know

2508
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:45,190
or just wanting to get attention and

2509
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:47,850
everybody you know like you would and

2510
01:57:52,860 --> 01:57:50,170
celebrate you you know I think you have

2511
01:57:54,450 --> 01:57:52,870
people like that and I think what's

2512
01:58:01,010 --> 01:57:54,460
scary about people like that is they

2513
01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:01,020
might start believing their own yes and

2514
01:58:07,590 --> 01:58:03,820
but I do think you have people who can

2515
01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:07,600
really do this and you know with

2516
01:58:12,150 --> 01:58:10,030
astonishing results what we might

2517
01:58:13,950 --> 01:58:12,160
consider astonishing results so I think

2518
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:13,960
it's real but I don't think everybody

2519
01:58:19,380 --> 01:58:16,690
that comes down the pike is legitimate

2520
01:58:21,780 --> 01:58:19,390
and I certainly don't think I

2521
01:58:23,790 --> 01:58:21,790
I used to think differently on this now

2522
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:23,800
I've changed my position I don't think

2523
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:26,080
just anybody sitting down to do the

2524
01:58:31,710 --> 01:58:28,320
protocols or lay down any you know

2525
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:31,720
method laid out can can do it or get

2526
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:34,570
very good results necessarily just by

2527
01:58:42,510 --> 01:58:38,800
doing that discipline protocol I think

2528
01:58:43,710 --> 01:58:42,520
it takes a little there I think with

2529
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:43,720
somebody that might be a little more

2530
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:47,650
predisposed with these talents to be

2531
01:58:52,140 --> 01:58:50,800
like the really good ones and so what

2532
01:58:54,620 --> 01:58:52,150
are some names with some individuals who

2533
01:58:57,660 --> 01:58:54,630
are seem to be a little more credible

2534
01:58:59,250 --> 01:58:57,670
within the field and have like because I

2535
01:59:03,270 --> 01:58:59,260
know there are some that have done bases

2536
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:03,280
before apparently let's see was it like

2537
01:59:09,630 --> 01:59:07,750
Joseph Nick monocle Nick monocle well

2538
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:09,640
yeah when you're talking about the guys

2539
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:13,570
who were in that various names operation

2540
01:59:19,620 --> 01:59:17,110
grill flame whatever I think Stargate or

2541
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:19,630
start us or something yeah

2542
01:59:24,690 --> 01:59:21,760
Joseph mcmoneagle is often considered to

2543
01:59:27,210 --> 01:59:24,700
be the top guy you know this the army

2544
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:27,220
program Lynne Buchanan was one of his

2545
01:59:35,130 --> 01:59:30,730
associates and you know he's he's

2546
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:35,140
another one now the guy who you know the

2547
01:59:41,850 --> 01:59:38,400
legendary ed Dame's you know Doctor Doom

2548
01:59:45,450 --> 01:59:41,860
he was never a viewer in the program but

2549
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:45,460
he developed you know this this method

2550
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:47,410
this protocol for doing it of course he

2551
01:59:52,020 --> 01:59:49,450
famously on coast to coast predicted the

2552
01:59:55,590 --> 01:59:52,030
kill shot all the stuff and he has kind

2553
01:59:58,140 --> 01:59:55,600
of a checkered reputation and all

2554
02:00:00,900 --> 01:59:58,150
MIT it was the guy who came to me and

2555
02:00:04,860 --> 02:00:00,910
trained me it was a stranger contacted

2556
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:04,870
me and it was the Dames method that he

2557
02:00:10,770 --> 02:00:08,290
trained me on you know and I was already

2558
02:00:11,730 --> 02:00:10,780
aware of Danes in his reputation but you

2559
02:00:14,190 --> 02:00:11,740
know I'm like okay I'm gonna be

2560
02:00:16,220 --> 02:00:14,200
objective about this cuz whether you you

2561
02:00:18,420 --> 02:00:16,230
know ad Danes as a knucklehead or not

2562
02:00:20,910 --> 02:00:18,430
maybe there's something to this method

2563
02:00:22,620 --> 02:00:20,920
and this guy's doing giving this to me

2564
02:00:25,980 --> 02:00:22,630
for free you know in this training for

2565
02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:25,990
free so I used his protocol and that was

2566
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:28,000
the one that after step four I began to

2567
02:00:31,950 --> 02:00:30,130
realize that you know the other steps

2568
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:31,960
were unnecessary and it was dames who

2569
02:00:39,180 --> 02:00:34,690
confirmed to the guy training me that

2570
02:00:41,190 --> 02:00:39,190
that was the truth so I never had any

2571
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:41,200
personal interaction with Dame's on this

2572
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:44,560
but he was never really one of the guys

2573
02:00:48,090 --> 02:00:46,450
on the team I think when you're talking

2574
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:48,100
about the guys on that original Army

2575
02:00:55,170 --> 02:00:52,650
project those guys are legit it's when

2576
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:55,180
you know in the subsequent years and in

2577
02:01:01,470 --> 02:00:56,850
recent times everybody and his brother

2578
02:01:03,450 --> 02:01:01,480
you know can offer a RV training program

2579
02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:03,460
and I think you got to be careful with

2580
02:01:07,710 --> 02:01:05,410
that because they'll tell you anything

2581
02:01:10,850 --> 02:01:07,720
you want to hear here to keep you

2582
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:10,860
pumping bucks you know into the program

2583
02:01:14,850 --> 02:01:13,570
so you gotta watch out for that kind of

2584
02:01:17,010 --> 02:01:14,860
thing which I think is probably

2585
02:01:19,260 --> 02:01:17,020
prevalent today what kind of

2586
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:19,270
prerequisites dude does an individual

2587
02:01:25,530 --> 02:01:23,050
need to have if any to start remote

2588
02:01:32,940 --> 02:01:31,020
uh none really just you know you gotta

2589
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:32,950
you gotta have hands and be able to

2590
02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:37,270
write and you got a you know I guess you

2591
02:01:41,580 --> 02:01:38,680
got to be able to see what you're

2592
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:41,590
writing but I don't see why a blind

2593
02:01:49,590 --> 02:01:45,930
person couldn't be really good at this

2594
02:01:52,530 --> 02:01:49,600
actually I hadn't thought of that but

2595
02:01:55,110 --> 02:01:52,540
other than you know just being a living

2596
02:01:58,250 --> 02:01:55,120
breathing human being now if you're

2597
02:02:02,610 --> 02:01:58,260
somebody who you know has demonstrated

2598
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:02,620
legitimate sensitivities to psychic type

2599
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:07,450
of things you know that might be what

2600
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:09,280
makes you better at it than the next

2601
02:02:14,730 --> 02:02:11,920
person but I don't think you have to

2602
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:14,740
because I think maybe even if you go

2603
02:02:22,980 --> 02:02:19,170
into it skeptical and you give it a

2604
02:02:25,980 --> 02:02:22,990
sincere shot let yourself believe that

2605
02:02:28,110 --> 02:02:25,990
it can work while you're doing it I

2606
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:28,120
think it could be something that might

2607
02:02:34,740 --> 02:02:31,770
even convince a skeptic or at least

2608
02:02:41,370 --> 02:02:34,750
soften any hard position they have

2609
02:02:42,750 --> 02:02:41,380
against it and did you ever use anything

2610
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:42,760
close to it or if have you seen it used

2611
02:02:47,310 --> 02:02:45,280
in any operations for Intel what during

2612
02:02:49,590 --> 02:02:47,320
your intelligence career or was it kind

2613
02:02:55,110 --> 02:02:49,600
of like laughed at at that point

2614
02:03:00,890 --> 02:02:55,120
I okay I never used remote viewing in my

2615
02:03:05,900 --> 02:03:00,900
career but early on my mentor taught me

2616
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:05,910
some very what you would consider wild

2617
02:03:13,050 --> 02:03:10,810
esoteric occult things to develop and he

2618
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:13,060
told me that I needed to develop these

2619
02:03:22,620 --> 02:03:19,840
skills and what I experienced the more I

2620
02:03:25,670 --> 02:03:22,630
was you know working as a professional

2621
02:03:30,830 --> 02:03:25,680
investigator and someone in operations

2622
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:30,840
was I I experienced a heightened level

2623
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:37,710
of a predictive sense an ability

2624
02:03:45,570 --> 02:03:40,170
definitely an ability to accurately

2625
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:45,580
predict behavior of a target to some

2626
02:03:53,950 --> 02:03:48,910
degree while on surveillance I developed

2627
02:04:01,570 --> 02:03:57,959
and I place that in this same category

2628
02:04:04,510 --> 02:04:01,580
but the things I was taught by this

2629
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:04,520
mentor these wild weird things know as

2630
02:04:09,850 --> 02:04:07,130
an agent I was never told okay go find

2631
02:04:12,670 --> 02:04:09,860
the spy and use that a couple technique

2632
02:04:15,850 --> 02:04:12,680
I didn't talk about the stuff he was

2633
02:04:19,390 --> 02:04:15,860
teaching me to my superiors or coworkers

2634
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:19,400
okay if I had a co-worker who was one of

2635
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,010
the circle that had learned this stuff

2636
02:04:27,940 --> 02:04:24,560
they would let them make themselves be

2637
02:04:31,140 --> 02:04:27,950
known you know and I was told that

2638
02:04:34,090 --> 02:04:31,150
that's how it was so am I suggesting

2639
02:04:36,070 --> 02:04:34,100
that within the ranks of federal agent

2640
02:04:38,590 --> 02:04:36,080
Rianne things like that but there is a

2641
02:04:41,740 --> 02:04:38,600
culture of guys that have learned any

2642
02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:41,750
manner of esoteric you know occultic

2643
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:44,360
type methods of getting information in

2644
02:04:52,340 --> 02:04:48,290
odd almost paranormal weights yes I am

2645
02:04:57,970 --> 02:04:55,100
but in my official duties no I never

2646
02:05:00,230 --> 02:04:57,980
used remote viewing but unofficially

2647
02:05:05,660 --> 02:05:00,240
totally used remote viewing okay that's

2648
02:05:08,150 --> 02:05:05,670
all I need to know on that one breakaway

2649
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:08,160
civilizations mm-hmm

2650
02:05:12,350 --> 02:05:10,050
we touched on that briefly a couple of

2651
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:12,360
times you know starting with the 1850s

2652
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:16,170
and going on to Germany at least you

2653
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:18,510
know as soon as they never had a UFO can

2654
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:21,570
sometimes be a it can either be a

2655
02:05:27,500 --> 02:05:25,370
hot-button issue for some people but if

2656
02:05:29,300 --> 02:05:27,510
we're talking breakaway civilizations

2657
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:29,310
that could very easily be referring to

2658
02:05:35,180 --> 02:05:32,490
the virile Society which was kind of

2659
02:05:37,970 --> 02:05:35,190
[\h__\h] weird and they disappeared at

2660
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:37,980
the end of World War two yeah is this

2661
02:05:42,260 --> 02:05:40,410
the first indication of a of a you know

2662
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:42,270
a breakaway civilization kind of moving

2663
02:05:45,980 --> 02:05:44,970
off to continue on somewhere else in

2664
02:05:49,700 --> 02:05:45,990
advance somewhere else

2665
02:05:52,580 --> 02:05:49,710
apart from humanity or have we is there

2666
02:05:57,020 --> 02:05:52,590
an earlier you know 19th century

2667
02:05:59,810 --> 02:05:57,030
explanation for this what I have what my

2668
02:06:03,590 --> 02:05:59,820
position is and what I have written and

2669
02:06:08,420 --> 02:06:03,600
stated continue to do so on this German

2670
02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:08,430
question is the German breakaway was in

2671
02:06:18,350 --> 02:06:11,880
existence in the 19th century this NIMS

2672
02:06:21,890 --> 02:06:18,360
a great it was through direct nimza

2673
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:21,900
influence or through their associates

2674
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:25,920
that whatever the nazis had developed in

2675
02:06:35,660 --> 02:06:31,070
their esoteric technology came from

2676
02:06:38,990 --> 02:06:35,670
nimza okay what I'm saying is is there's

2677
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,000
no evidence that the Nazis developed

2678
02:06:42,860 --> 02:06:41,280
this flying saucer that everybody I know

2679
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:42,870
right now there's people pounding the

2680
02:06:46,010 --> 02:06:45,600
table and cursing bosley and spewing

2681
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:46,020
venom

2682
02:06:51,670 --> 02:06:48,360
I don't care there's no evidence for

2683
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:51,680
their hen abou saucer okay

2684
02:06:58,130 --> 02:06:55,650
what they were developing was again

2685
02:07:01,490 --> 02:06:58,140
whatever this bail technology was and

2686
02:07:04,670 --> 02:07:01,500
what I have tried to point out argue was

2687
02:07:06,170 --> 02:07:04,680
whatever they learned that aided or

2688
02:07:10,660 --> 02:07:06,180
drove them in the bail

2689
02:07:14,740 --> 02:07:10,670
that they got from a pre-existing German

2690
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:14,750
breakaway okay which was this nimza and

2691
02:07:21,470 --> 02:07:19,410
I think what it is is the nimza was

2692
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,480
instrumental in the right the creation

2693
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:24,480
and rise of the Nazis and they used them

2694
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:28,410
and once it was clear that they had to

2695
02:07:33,530 --> 02:07:30,570
cut their losses or you know they had

2696
02:07:37,310 --> 02:07:33,540
used him completely they re the

2697
02:07:41,540 --> 02:07:37,320
surviving Nazis out into the world in

2698
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:41,550
our case through Operation Paperclip to

2699
02:07:48,290 --> 02:07:46,110
develop a real military-industrial

2700
02:07:54,270 --> 02:07:48,300
complex what we call the

2701
02:08:02,729 --> 02:07:59,880
the Nazis they were used okay and some

2702
02:08:06,810 --> 02:08:02,739
of the things that they developed as far

2703
02:08:08,490 --> 02:08:06,820
as how they did business and and just

2704
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:08,500
some of the tools they would use and

2705
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:11,530
stuff in the post-world War two ERA I am

2706
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:14,410
one of those who thinks you know these

2707
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:16,480
things were embraced by the Allies in

2708
02:08:20,430 --> 02:08:19,360
the United States in particular and of

2709
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:20,440
course have found their way into the

2710
02:08:27,470 --> 02:08:22,960
corporate world and stuff like that and

2711
02:08:31,979 --> 02:08:27,480
the surviving Nazi structure just got

2712
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:31,989
reintegrator nimza it--there's - this is

2713
02:08:37,290 --> 02:08:33,610
my hypothesis that there are two

2714
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:37,300
operating breakaway civilizations one of

2715
02:08:42,270 --> 02:08:40,570
them is the german emza and that's the

2716
02:08:44,959 --> 02:08:42,280
organization that's behind all this

2717
02:08:47,189 --> 02:08:44,969
globalism and they oligarchs and the

2718
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,199
totalitarianism okay when you talk

2719
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:49,360
anything new world order of conspiracy

2720
02:08:57,479 --> 02:08:52,810
now we call it deep state that's the

2721
02:08:59,790 --> 02:08:57,489
hand of nimza in our world okay

2722
02:09:04,709 --> 02:08:59,800
the military-industrial complex a

2723
02:09:07,050 --> 02:09:04,719
product of you know the influence of the

2724
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:07,060
Nazis we captured who return of course

2725
02:09:15,689 --> 02:09:11,199
are influenced and fed by nimza okay and

2726
02:09:20,270 --> 02:09:15,699
the other breakaway is one that I think

2727
02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:20,280
therefore I suggest in hypothesised was

2728
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:23,380
founded in the States and was an

2729
02:09:32,189 --> 02:09:27,760
offshoot of that technology program I

2730
02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:32,199
talked about earlier that was developed

2731
02:09:38,970 --> 02:09:36,310
in the post-civil war era and resulted

2732
02:09:40,979 --> 02:09:38,980
in the 1890s airship mystery I think it

2733
02:09:43,770 --> 02:09:40,989
was shortly after the 1890s airship

2734
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:43,780
mystery that the guys who were the

2735
02:09:53,300 --> 02:09:47,050
brains behind that program they broke

2736
02:09:57,060 --> 02:09:53,310
away and I think that they were a newer

2737
02:09:59,520 --> 02:09:57,070
breakaway then nimza obviously so they

2738
02:10:04,100 --> 02:09:59,530
spent the rest of the 20th century

2739
02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:04,110
greatly developing their own thing I

2740
02:10:10,860 --> 02:10:07,750
think that they returned on to the sea

2741
02:10:12,590 --> 02:10:10,870
with the last presidential election at

2742
02:10:16,980 --> 02:10:12,600
my Empire the wheel dot blog spot.com

2743
02:10:22,260 --> 02:10:16,990
I've written about the a parrot trunk

2744
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:22,270
connection to this okay and if there's

2745
02:10:28,670 --> 02:10:26,320
one group or organization that can stand

2746
02:10:31,500 --> 02:10:28,680
up against the nimza it is this other

2747
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:31,510
organization I am NOT saying their group

2748
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:34,960
of angels I'm just saying I think they

2749
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:36,490
stand opposed to each other and I

2750
02:10:42,150 --> 02:10:38,770
explained all that in my blog and in my

2751
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:42,160
books and stuff but I think that's

2752
02:10:46,410 --> 02:10:44,110
what's I think there's the two

2753
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:46,420
breakaways they are opposed to each

2754
02:10:52,650 --> 02:10:49,090
other and the greater conflict behind

2755
02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:52,660
the conflicts we see it's really the

2756
02:10:58,890 --> 02:10:55,020
conflict between these two breakaways

2757
02:11:01,710 --> 02:10:58,900
the nimza wants to be globalist they

2758
02:11:04,530 --> 02:11:01,720
want to control the world they want to

2759
02:11:09,330 --> 02:11:04,540
control the masses in people and I don't

2760
02:11:10,740 --> 02:11:09,340
think these other guys do i I you know

2761
02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:10,750
again I don't think they're perfect

2762
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:14,710
angels but I do think that they have our

2763
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:18,610
better interests in mind then you know

2764
02:11:23,490 --> 02:11:20,800
and the nibsy the German based

2765
02:11:25,740 --> 02:11:23,500
organization does not you see I'm just

2766
02:11:28,260 --> 02:11:25,750
what I think I can understand I'm gonna

2767
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:28,270
have to I guess it's my views it's my

2768
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:29,410
opinion you've got your views and your

2769
02:11:36,110 --> 02:11:32,320
opinion and research and you know if I'm

2770
02:11:38,700 --> 02:11:36,120
not gonna say one way or another I've

2771
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:38,710
for something like myself it can be kind

2772
02:11:44,250 --> 02:11:39,520
of hard to be able to wrap your head

2773
02:11:46,260 --> 02:11:44,260
around you know I'm I think I remember

2774
02:11:49,830 --> 02:11:46,270
who I was having discussion with what I

2775
02:11:51,300 --> 02:11:49,840
hear the term deep state I see I hear

2776
02:11:52,890 --> 02:11:51,310
that term deep state or New World Order

2777
02:11:55,290 --> 02:11:52,900
and I hear people who are trying to make

2778
02:11:57,150 --> 02:11:55,300
sense out of a reality that is way too

2779
02:11:58,290 --> 02:11:57,160
complicated for them to be able to

2780
02:12:00,900 --> 02:11:58,300
understand so they're going to try and

2781
02:12:02,700 --> 02:12:00,910
give this monolithic force that can't be

2782
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:02,710
touched that it's a lay this is what

2783
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:06,400
it's a way yeah so but you know if we're

2784
02:12:11,310 --> 02:12:08,050
dealing with any forces in the world

2785
02:12:12,750 --> 02:12:11,320
right now you can identify you know

2786
02:12:14,070 --> 02:12:12,760
pretty much a lot of the individuals and

2787
02:12:17,820 --> 02:12:14,080
there may be some secret societies out

2788
02:12:18,780 --> 02:12:17,830
there of rich industrialists but from

2789
02:12:19,830 --> 02:12:18,790
what I understand is if you have

2790
02:12:21,810 --> 02:12:19,840
billions of dollars and you got a

2791
02:12:24,270 --> 02:12:21,820
private jet and you're pretty you know

2792
02:12:25,770 --> 02:12:24,280
if you have a an entire security force

2793
02:12:29,010 --> 02:12:25,780
that's the size of a small army of

2794
02:12:30,420 --> 02:12:29,020
Luxembourg you can do [\h__\h] overtly and

2795
02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:30,430
nobody is going to be able to touch you

2796
02:12:33,690 --> 02:12:31,630
because that's pretty much the attitude

2797
02:12:35,460 --> 02:12:33,700
you have to have is I don't give a [\h__\h]

2798
02:12:37,470 --> 02:12:35,470
if anybody knows what I'm doing who's

2799
02:12:38,490 --> 02:12:37,480
gonna stop me and nobody usually ever

2800
02:12:39,380 --> 02:12:38,500
stops them unless you're dealing with

2801
02:12:45,540 --> 02:12:39,390
something like the French Revolution

2802
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:45,550
most of these people are dealing Mele on

2803
02:12:49,770 --> 02:12:48,400
a scale that you or myself and most

2804
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:49,780
individuals can't even fathom or

2805
02:12:54,690 --> 02:12:51,370
understand you do with somebody like

2806
02:12:56,700 --> 02:12:54,700
Putin who within you know the 15 years

2807
02:12:59,120 --> 02:12:56,710
or 20 years that he was in first came

2808
02:13:03,000 --> 02:12:59,130
into power and when the oligarchs within

2809
02:13:04,380 --> 02:13:03,010
Russia were controlling him it took him

2810
02:13:05,730 --> 02:13:04,390
a while it took him a couple of terms to

2811
02:13:07,170 --> 02:13:05,740
be able to turn around and say hey yeah

2812
02:13:09,390 --> 02:13:07,180
why were you guys controlling me how

2813
02:13:12,420 --> 02:13:09,400
about this you give me half of your

2814
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:12,430
fortune and I won't kill you and then

2815
02:13:16,410 --> 02:13:14,410
we're gonna see who's boss and you know

2816
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:16,420
he was able to acquire a large amount of

2817
02:13:19,620 --> 02:13:18,610
money from that if you got that kind of

2818
02:13:21,300 --> 02:13:19,630
money and you have a nuclear arsenal

2819
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:21,310
behind you I don't think you need to

2820
02:13:25,380 --> 02:13:23,410
have some type of secret society behind

2821
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:25,390
you and if there's anything else behind

2822
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:27,610
that that's kind of where I call

2823
02:13:30,720 --> 02:13:28,930
[\h__\h] because it's like show me the

2824
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:30,730
actual nuts and bolts see but nowadays

2825
02:13:38,490 --> 02:13:35,970
but you've embraced the idea that that

2826
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:38,500
when people talk about this oh it's

2827
02:13:43,290 --> 02:13:41,110
definitely some monolithic power that

2828
02:13:44,670 --> 02:13:43,300
you know nobody can stand against and

2829
02:13:46,530 --> 02:13:44,680
you're right if it was some big

2830
02:13:48,210 --> 02:13:46,540
monolithic power that nobody could stand

2831
02:13:51,110 --> 02:13:48,220
against you're right they wouldn't hide

2832
02:13:53,900 --> 02:13:51,120
this is why I've never argued that I

2833
02:13:55,890 --> 02:13:53,910
don't think they've had such tremendous

2834
02:13:58,740 --> 02:13:55,900
monolithic power I think what they've

2835
02:14:02,400 --> 02:13:58,750
had is influence they've had very strong

2836
02:14:04,590 --> 02:14:02,410
influence and I think their thing has

2837
02:14:06,780 --> 02:14:04,600
come and gone it's had its moments where

2838
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:06,790
it's stronger it's at its moments where

2839
02:14:12,690 --> 02:14:09,520
it's a little weaker and I think for the

2840
02:14:16,290 --> 02:14:12,700
most part they were able to coast on

2841
02:14:19,770 --> 02:14:16,300
this wave of influence and having their

2842
02:14:23,580 --> 02:14:19,780
hand in some things without any serious

2843
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:23,590
opposition on their level okay but by no

2844
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:28,480
means have I ever advocated that they

2845
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:31,090
were some deep dark thing that nobody

2846
02:14:34,950 --> 02:14:33,610
could stand against I think very much so

2847
02:14:35,490 --> 02:14:34,960
they've had their times where they

2848
02:14:39,300 --> 02:14:35,500
realized

2849
02:14:42,330 --> 02:14:39,310
oh you know we better lay low now under

2850
02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:42,340
my view if you're talking about what I

2851
02:14:47,970 --> 02:14:45,790
just described you would have a lot of

2852
02:14:51,630 --> 02:14:47,980
reasons for wanting to be doing that

2853
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:51,640
kind of thing in secret and kind of keep

2854
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:55,360
a lid on it because you know look at our

2855
02:15:00,060 --> 02:14:58,000
reaction you know just because we on the

2856
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,070
you know the ground level the grassroots

2857
02:15:05,940 --> 02:15:02,560
level you know a lot of people think

2858
02:15:08,460 --> 02:15:05,950
that people above that level will they

2859
02:15:10,650 --> 02:15:08,470
magically turn against you know the

2860
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:10,660
masses and they won't be appalled if

2861
02:15:14,090 --> 02:15:12,490
somebody's trying to rule the world well

2862
02:15:16,530 --> 02:15:14,100
I disagree with that that's childish

2863
02:15:19,170 --> 02:15:16,540
there's people on higher levels in

2864
02:15:21,620 --> 02:15:19,180
places of power that think about things

2865
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:21,630
and value things the way we do it is

2866
02:15:27,930 --> 02:15:24,400
ridiculous to think there aren't that's

2867
02:15:30,090 --> 02:15:27,940
where people get off on too much of the

2868
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:30,100
you know power corrupts absolutely

2869
02:15:34,170 --> 02:15:33,760
things yes that's a true thing but come

2870
02:15:37,560 --> 02:15:34,180
on

2871
02:15:39,570 --> 02:15:37,570
it's it's not automatic and 100% in all

2872
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:39,580
cases there are good people in high

2873
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:43,890
levels so that's why a secret type of

2874
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:46,690
group here or group that would have to

2875
02:15:50,190 --> 02:15:48,730
do these kinds of things secretly that's

2876
02:15:54,090 --> 02:15:50,200
why they would do that because they know

2877
02:15:56,280 --> 02:15:54,100
there are people you know up there on

2878
02:15:59,280 --> 02:15:56,290
the higher levels that if they combined

2879
02:16:01,380 --> 02:15:59,290
everybody against them they wouldn't

2880
02:16:02,820 --> 02:16:01,390
stand a chance and there's another

2881
02:16:05,070 --> 02:16:02,830
reason for why they would do this

2882
02:16:09,630 --> 02:16:05,080
secretly is because they know they're

2883
02:16:11,610 --> 02:16:09,640
actually out numbered if people were to

2884
02:16:13,530 --> 02:16:11,620
know what they were doing so you know

2885
02:16:17,730 --> 02:16:13,540
there's you know that other reason for

2886
02:16:19,770 --> 02:16:17,740
operating secretly I would disagree with

2887
02:16:22,500 --> 02:16:19,780
that even just like and it's not to say

2888
02:16:24,450 --> 02:16:22,510
it's not possible but if we're talking

2889
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:24,460
about being completely oblivious you

2890
02:16:29,730 --> 02:16:26,290
look at the at the French Revolution

2891
02:16:31,260 --> 02:16:29,740
where you have the entire aristocracy of

2892
02:16:34,830 --> 02:16:31,270
France that was acting in a certain way

2893
02:16:37,650 --> 02:16:34,840
and the the I you know the whether that

2894
02:16:40,290 --> 02:16:37,660
mary antoinette was was evil or not you

2895
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:40,300
know the consensuses or at least the the

2896
02:16:43,379 --> 02:16:41,679
general consensus is that no she wasn't

2897
02:16:46,110 --> 02:16:43,389
a bad person she was just completely out

2898
02:16:47,490 --> 02:16:46,120
of touch because she didn't know once

2899
02:16:49,530 --> 02:16:47,500
she did you know she had everything

2900
02:16:52,470 --> 02:16:49,540
provided to her so the the

2901
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:52,480
common you know let them be like oh

2902
02:16:55,379 --> 02:16:53,770
there they don't have bread will let

2903
02:16:57,299 --> 02:16:55,389
them eat cake you know because she

2904
02:16:58,980 --> 02:16:57,309
thought she was being funny but the

2905
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:58,990
average person on the street was just

2906
02:17:03,450 --> 02:17:01,120
like well [\h__\h] this [\h__\h] you know is

2907
02:17:05,100 --> 02:17:03,460
she saying that that that's that's Amin

2908
02:17:07,860 --> 02:17:05,110
ash that that's mean is hell yeah

2909
02:17:11,010 --> 02:17:07,870
and sure you you look at any of the

2910
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:11,020
people that were like I'm gonna I'm

2911
02:17:13,169 --> 02:17:12,130
gonna do an example of this tonight I

2912
02:17:14,820 --> 02:17:13,179
know I'm not sure if you could see it on

2913
02:17:16,410 --> 02:17:14,830
screen if I if I try and share screen

2914
02:17:18,419 --> 02:17:16,420
again it's just gonna mess everything up

2915
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:18,429
again yeah I just described alright so

2916
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:21,969
you've got this is from the I'm not even

2917
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:26,050
sure which newspaper it is but it's

2918
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:28,450
showing the you know large line of

2919
02:17:34,860 --> 02:17:31,050
private jets that are lined up at Davos

2920
02:17:36,060 --> 02:17:34,870
and this is where the whole idea of like

2921
02:17:39,209 --> 02:17:36,070
if you're looking at a new world order

2922
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:39,219
you're looking at you know and well yeah

2923
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:40,719
you're looking at international business

2924
02:17:46,260 --> 02:17:42,610
people who have billions of dollars and

2925
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:46,270
you know they're their entire life is

2926
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:47,920
ostentatious nough slike there's very

2927
02:17:52,980 --> 02:17:49,210
few billionaires that I know of that

2928
02:17:55,410 --> 02:17:52,990
live in a Foursquare house you know of

2929
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,420
under 2,000 square feet and there's

2930
02:17:59,070 --> 02:17:58,000
maybe one or two and and I add neither

2931
02:18:01,020 --> 02:17:59,080
would we

2932
02:18:02,490 --> 02:18:01,030
if we had billions of dollars no and

2933
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:02,500
actually it's been it's been proven that

2934
02:18:07,650 --> 02:18:05,679
people who make money very quickly they

2935
02:18:10,650 --> 02:18:07,660
tend to actually treat your average

2936
02:18:12,900 --> 02:18:10,660
person worse because they know where

2937
02:18:15,780 --> 02:18:12,910
they came from but if you got money

2938
02:18:19,410 --> 02:18:15,790
and you've your family had money you do

2939
02:18:22,530 --> 02:18:19,420
not relate to people like you and me we

2940
02:18:24,110 --> 02:18:22,540
are not human to them that's that's what

2941
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:24,120
I'm saying I ensure in terms of regard

2942
02:18:29,250 --> 02:18:27,490
there there was a regard psychologically

2943
02:18:31,610 --> 02:18:29,260
that there that might not just being

2944
02:18:34,379 --> 02:18:31,620
better or being superior it's that the

2945
02:18:37,709 --> 02:18:34,389
you know like caring about somebody's

2946
02:18:39,450 --> 02:18:37,719
feelings proper etiquette within like a

2947
02:18:40,740 --> 02:18:39,460
store if I bumped into you and you bump

2948
02:18:42,089 --> 02:18:40,750
into me we both say like oh well at

2949
02:18:43,799 --> 02:18:42,099
least in Canada we both say sorry

2950
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:43,809
because doesn't matter whose fault it is

2951
02:18:47,100 --> 02:18:45,250
we say sorry we're for them they

2952
02:18:48,450 --> 02:18:47,110
wouldn't necessarily get that because

2953
02:18:50,100 --> 02:18:48,460
they're not from that world that's

2954
02:18:51,660 --> 02:18:50,110
completely different customs it's

2955
02:18:53,850 --> 02:18:51,670
completely different upbringing so the

2956
02:18:55,049 --> 02:18:53,860
same idea of okay well this person needs

2957
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:55,059
to get up at ten o'clock in the morning

2958
02:18:58,200 --> 02:18:56,410
and you know that they need to be able

2959
02:18:59,280 --> 02:18:58,210
to worry about bills to pay and they

2960
02:19:00,540 --> 02:18:59,290
don't have those same worries because

2961
02:19:01,669 --> 02:19:00,550
they never had to worry about it before

2962
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:01,679
they don't get the concept

2963
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:04,050
yeah they don't have those words but I

2964
02:19:11,389 --> 02:19:05,969
wouldn't characterize every one of them

2965
02:19:14,059 --> 02:19:11,399
as being dismissive of us or lacking and

2966
02:19:16,689 --> 02:19:14,069
all human compassion or understanding of

2967
02:19:18,589 --> 02:19:16,699
us you know on that human level

2968
02:19:22,779 --> 02:19:18,599
certainly yeah you could point to

2969
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:22,789
examples but those examples are

2970
02:19:26,659 --> 02:19:24,569
individuals that you would point to it

2971
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:26,669
yeah I would say there's a lot of them

2972
02:19:31,339 --> 02:19:29,609
that you know probably that are [\h__\h]

2973
02:19:34,069 --> 02:19:31,349
but I wouldn't say all of them and I

2974
02:19:35,389 --> 02:19:34,079
wouldn't say by virtue of having that

2975
02:19:37,790 --> 02:19:35,399
money in the background that they're

2976
02:19:41,689 --> 02:19:37,800
automatically going to think that way

2977
02:19:43,790 --> 02:19:41,699
and well that's also kind of what I'm

2978
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:43,800
getting at because if we're dealing with

2979
02:19:49,639 --> 02:19:47,519
a global society that is meant to like

2980
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:49,649
first of all what's the end goal what

2981
02:19:55,370 --> 02:19:52,050
does their end is a control is a power

2982
02:19:57,880 --> 02:19:55,380
is its you know using us as food what

2983
02:20:02,000 --> 02:19:57,890
it's Joseph Ferrell and Richard Dolan

2984
02:20:05,689 --> 02:20:02,010
they put it boy I don't have it in front

2985
02:20:10,489 --> 02:20:05,699
of me but its total yeah it's it's

2986
02:20:13,639 --> 02:20:10,499
basically a total control of industry in

2987
02:20:16,699 --> 02:20:13,649
and and there's a great term for it that

2988
02:20:17,960 --> 02:20:16,709
describes it perfectly and yeah that's

2989
02:20:20,300 --> 02:20:17,970
what they're after

2990
02:20:24,380 --> 02:20:20,310
that's where globalism and collectivism

2991
02:20:27,710 --> 02:20:24,390
comes from they have it and I don't

2992
02:20:31,340 --> 02:20:27,720
think they have it as solidly as people

2993
02:20:33,559 --> 02:20:31,350
like to think yeah they they have it to

2994
02:20:36,139 --> 02:20:33,569
a greater degree than they used to but

2995
02:20:39,500 --> 02:20:36,149
here's where I'm coming from if these if

2996
02:20:42,050 --> 02:20:39,510
Big Brother really had this total 100%

2997
02:20:43,729 --> 02:20:42,060
control and we're just pawns and puppets

2998
02:20:46,219 --> 02:20:43,739
and there's nothing we can do about it

2999
02:20:48,739 --> 02:20:46,229
guess what that this world would be a

3000
02:20:51,559 --> 02:20:48,749
hell of a lot worse than you think it is

3001
02:20:54,380 --> 02:20:51,569
right now because they truly would be

3002
02:20:57,620 --> 02:20:54,390
out the open I think the reality is is

3003
02:20:59,239 --> 02:20:57,630
that they have a greater control than

3004
02:21:02,029 --> 02:20:59,249
they used to a greater influence than

3005
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:02,039
they used to and they they have more

3006
02:21:07,130 --> 02:21:03,930
power and authority than we'd like them

3007
02:21:11,599 --> 02:21:07,140
to have an influence but it's not it's

3008
02:21:15,081 --> 02:21:11,609
not total and it's not enough that we

3009
02:21:17,150 --> 02:21:15,091
are 100 percent slaves not not yet

3010
02:21:19,371 --> 02:21:17,160
well you know you you look at it this

3011
02:21:21,711 --> 02:21:19,381
way like I'm I'm on I'm self-employed

3012
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:21,721
you're self-employed we're both beholden

3013
02:21:25,371 --> 02:21:23,280
to others like we were on small

3014
02:21:26,241 --> 02:21:25,381
businesses we we read on paycheck if we

3015
02:21:27,801 --> 02:21:26,251
want to be able to go and make more

3016
02:21:29,031 --> 02:21:27,811
money we'll go and make more money you

3017
02:21:31,161 --> 02:21:29,041
know if we want to be able to expand our

3018
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:31,171
business and and make instead of like

3019
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:32,490
seventy thousand dollars make one

3020
02:21:35,480 --> 02:21:33,690
hundred and fifty thousand dollars we

3021
02:21:37,671 --> 02:21:35,490
sit down we think of [\h__\h] plan we

3022
02:21:40,161 --> 02:21:37,681
write that [\h__\h] down we step through it

3023
02:21:42,591 --> 02:21:40,171
and we execute your average individual

3024
02:21:44,121 --> 02:21:42,601
does not have the and this is no offense

3025
02:21:45,350 --> 02:21:44,131
to anybody who is out there but your

3026
02:21:49,281 --> 02:21:45,360
average individual does not have the

3027
02:21:51,261 --> 02:21:49,291
time or the energy to execute that type

3028
02:21:52,400 --> 02:21:51,271
of plan right well first of all because

3029
02:21:54,020 --> 02:21:52,410
they weren't taught it in school that

3030
02:21:58,190 --> 02:21:54,030
type of financial literacy is not taught

3031
02:21:59,390 --> 02:21:58,200
in art and second of all is the well

3032
02:22:01,100 --> 02:21:59,400
you've got the social conditioning of

3033
02:22:02,781 --> 02:22:01,110
being beaten down in okay way you go to

3034
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:02,791
school you get your college degree you

3035
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,410
know you get you go and get a job you

3036
02:22:07,820 --> 02:22:06,240
working 9:00 to 5:00 and then you know

3037
02:22:09,470 --> 02:22:07,830
you work for 35 years and you retire

3038
02:22:10,881 --> 02:22:09,480
with your pension and you go get married

3039
02:22:13,220 --> 02:22:10,891
you have kids so you have that

3040
02:22:15,470 --> 02:22:13,230
additional responsibility and you know

3041
02:22:17,121 --> 02:22:15,480
these are things that were always you

3042
02:22:18,980 --> 02:22:17,131
know that we're kind of conditioned into

3043
02:22:23,301 --> 02:22:18,990
so that's a drain on resources it's a

3044
02:22:24,921 --> 02:22:23,311
directly like man my my answered even

3045
02:22:27,711 --> 02:22:24,931
then it's still for me it's very hard I

3046
02:22:29,241 --> 02:22:27,721
most of my time is taken up by you know

3047
02:22:32,001 --> 02:22:29,251
my daughter what do you think my answer

3048
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:32,011
is to to not having the same amount of

3049
02:22:36,860 --> 02:22:35,280
time that I had before I don't sleep I

3050
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:36,870
sleep maybe an hour to a day at this

3051
02:22:41,060 --> 02:22:38,490
point but if I don't do it I can't get

3052
02:22:43,070 --> 02:22:41,070
anything done most people are not do not

3053
02:22:44,451 --> 02:22:43,080
make that type of sacrifice that they're

3054
02:22:45,650 --> 02:22:44,461
not going to be able to say okay well

3055
02:22:47,031 --> 02:22:45,660
this is something that I can live with

3056
02:22:47,451 --> 02:22:47,041
that how many hours can I go that type

3057
02:22:49,041 --> 02:22:47,461
of thing

3058
02:22:51,381 --> 02:22:49,051
I'm not using that as a specific but as

3059
02:22:56,440 --> 02:22:51,391
an example and the third thing is being

3060
02:22:58,041 --> 02:22:56,450
the it's it's the ability for self

3061
02:23:00,051 --> 02:22:58,051
manifestation the ability to visualize

3062
02:23:03,741 --> 02:23:00,061
conceive and then execute and actually

3063
02:23:06,860 --> 02:23:03,751
to met to manifest that that's that that

3064
02:23:08,060 --> 02:23:06,870
final that best final outcome most

3065
02:23:09,350 --> 02:23:08,070
people don't they it's something that

3066
02:23:11,560 --> 02:23:09,360
has to be trained that you have to build

3067
02:23:13,970 --> 02:23:11,570
a to get used to it used to it and

3068
02:23:15,201 --> 02:23:13,980
without constant practice the

3069
02:23:16,730 --> 02:23:15,211
understanding that failure is okay

3070
02:23:18,081 --> 02:23:16,740
because when you fail that's where you

3071
02:23:20,570 --> 02:23:18,091
learn as long as you're still breathing

3072
02:23:21,980 --> 02:23:20,580
you're you know hopefully or at least

3073
02:23:23,751 --> 02:23:21,990
you have control of all of your

3074
02:23:27,020 --> 02:23:23,761
appendages or most of them at least you

3075
02:23:28,850 --> 02:23:27,030
can at least get on for the next day but

3076
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:28,860
you get to certain individuals

3077
02:23:35,270 --> 02:23:33,450
like like let's say Zuckerberg who was a

3078
02:23:38,270 --> 02:23:35,280
fairly well-to-do individual and in

3079
02:23:40,131 --> 02:23:38,280
college and now you know he's running

3080
02:23:42,890 --> 02:23:40,141
one of the largest information

3081
02:23:44,450 --> 02:23:42,900
collection organizations that if that

3082
02:23:46,220 --> 02:23:44,460
has ever existed on the planet who's

3083
02:23:48,081 --> 02:23:46,230
probably in bed and has was bankrolled

3084
02:23:50,660 --> 02:23:48,091
by the NSA out right from the get-go

3085
02:23:54,591 --> 02:23:50,670
and you look at some of this stuff

3086
02:23:56,541 --> 02:23:54,601
Facebook does within like a 10 10 15

3087
02:23:58,270 --> 02:23:56,551
year time period from when it first came

3088
02:24:00,320 --> 02:23:58,280
out it's insane

3089
02:24:01,850 --> 02:24:00,330
just the the ability to be able to

3090
02:24:03,110 --> 02:24:01,860
predict whether somebody is depressed or

3091
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:03,120
about to commit suicide that's one thing

3092
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:05,370
they're gonna be implementing now but he

3093
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:08,160
didn't get there by being a nice guy he

3094
02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:12,570
he lied cheated and stole the pieces of

3095
02:24:14,900 --> 02:24:13,650
the company that he needed to or the

3096
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:14,910
money that the company that he needed to

3097
02:24:17,511 --> 02:24:16,290
to be able to get to this point and at

3098
02:24:20,751 --> 02:24:17,521
this point is one of the richest

3099
02:24:21,890 --> 02:24:20,761
billionaires on the planet okay but you

3100
02:24:23,810 --> 02:24:21,900
look at your average person who has

3101
02:24:24,860 --> 02:24:23,820
ethics who has a certain amount of you

3102
02:24:26,660 --> 02:24:24,870
don't hurt people you don't lie you

3103
02:24:27,950 --> 02:24:26,670
don't you know you you be good you keep

3104
02:24:29,421 --> 02:24:27,960
quiet you keep your head down

3105
02:24:30,711 --> 02:24:29,431
those are the types of individuals that

3106
02:24:31,881 --> 02:24:30,721
it's very difficult to be able to get to

3107
02:24:33,140 --> 02:24:31,891
that point where you're making 100

3108
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:33,150
billions of dollars because you're not

3109
02:24:36,291 --> 02:24:35,250
willing to have that killer instinct

3110
02:24:39,381 --> 02:24:36,301
because first of all because it's kind

3111
02:24:40,581 --> 02:24:39,391
of wrong to actively screw somebody over

3112
02:24:43,341 --> 02:24:40,591
I'm sure

3113
02:24:45,860 --> 02:24:43,351
the oligarchs in Russia same thing you

3114
02:24:48,291 --> 02:24:45,870
know most of these guys if they took

3115
02:24:50,001 --> 02:24:48,301
over let's say a steel plant they

3116
02:24:52,970 --> 02:24:50,011
knowing that there were people that were

3117
02:24:54,051 --> 02:24:52,980
out to kill them I think it was say that

3118
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:54,061
the guy who's like the largest aluminum

3119
02:24:58,011 --> 02:24:56,250
producer he actually went to the plant

3120
02:25:00,410 --> 02:24:58,021
and slept there and defend it with a

3121
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:00,420
baseball bat or like a steel club from

3122
02:25:03,051 --> 02:25:01,650
thugs who would come in and try and

3123
02:25:05,001 --> 02:25:03,061
break in and kill him so that they could

3124
02:25:06,711 --> 02:25:05,011
take the plant over knowing that once

3125
02:25:07,541 --> 02:25:06,721
the Soviet Union fallen that it was

3126
02:25:09,831 --> 02:25:07,551
going to be one of the major

3127
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:09,841
organizations and he went from like you

3128
02:25:12,860 --> 02:25:11,280
know just a middle management guy do

3129
02:25:13,450 --> 02:25:12,870
till one of the richest billionaires in

3130
02:25:17,291 --> 02:25:13,460
the world

3131
02:25:20,480 --> 02:25:17,301
so you know this isn't something that is

3132
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:20,490
otherworldly it comes down to what is an

3133
02:25:24,171 --> 02:25:22,170
individual willing to do to [\h__\h] to

3134
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:24,181
reach out and take it what are they

3135
02:25:31,730 --> 02:25:27,690
willing to sacrifice so I can't look at

3136
02:25:33,831 --> 02:25:31,740
it from a otherworldly good and evil

3137
02:25:35,740 --> 02:25:33,841
standpoint because it's like I you know

3138
02:25:37,610 --> 02:25:35,750
I've seen that there is that that

3139
02:25:39,291 --> 02:25:37,620
condition that somebody has to be able

3140
02:25:40,730 --> 02:25:39,301
to have to climb that ladder and it's

3141
02:25:42,730 --> 02:25:40,740
not something that's handed to you

3142
02:25:44,350 --> 02:25:42,740
there's an opportunity that you get

3143
02:25:47,050 --> 02:25:44,360
and you reach out you're taking your

3144
02:25:49,900 --> 02:25:47,060
work your your ass off for it but one

3145
02:25:53,320 --> 02:25:49,910
out we're we're discussing you know we

3146
02:25:55,390 --> 02:25:53,330
you can point to are you certain that

3147
02:26:00,340 --> 02:25:55,400
there aren't very wealthy people out

3148
02:26:02,860 --> 02:26:00,350
there who who haven't done bad things

3149
02:26:05,080 --> 02:26:02,870
you're absolutely certain that anybody

3150
02:26:09,160 --> 02:26:05,090
who's attained great wealth has had to

3151
02:26:10,900 --> 02:26:09,170
be an [\h__\h] on a dick beyond you know

3152
02:26:12,490 --> 02:26:10,910
just making tough decisions I mean just

3153
02:26:17,560 --> 02:26:12,500
being an [\h__\h] and a dick with no

3154
02:26:19,180 --> 02:26:17,570
ethics no I know I'm gonna say when it

3155
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:19,190
comes to like they're really really rich

3156
02:26:24,490 --> 02:26:21,770
rich billionaires the the major

3157
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:24,500
oligarchs like the the top point zero

3158
02:26:29,380 --> 02:26:27,290
one percent those those are people who

3159
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:29,390
have like they're those aren't self-made

3160
02:26:33,400 --> 02:26:30,770
those are people who that's old much

3161
02:26:35,260 --> 02:26:33,410
so you're saying everybody who's got

3162
02:26:37,570 --> 02:26:35,270
that kind of wealth automatically

3163
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:37,580
becomes an oligarch no he behaves like

3164
02:26:40,750 --> 02:26:39,770
an oligarch no I'm not saying that at

3165
02:26:42,219 --> 02:26:40,760
all what I'm saying is that they're

3166
02:26:44,430 --> 02:26:42,229
those types of people do not necessarily

3167
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:44,440
understand the struggles and day-to-day

3168
02:26:48,130 --> 02:26:46,010
obstacles that you and I would

3169
02:26:50,710 --> 02:26:48,140
necessarily face okay they okay they may

3170
02:26:53,350 --> 02:26:50,720
not understand our daily struggles but

3171
02:26:55,420 --> 02:26:53,360
you know what I'm saying is just because

3172
02:26:57,490 --> 02:26:55,430
someone if we're just talking they don't

3173
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,500
understand our struggles that doesn't

3174
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,120
necessarily mean that they're an evil

3175
02:27:04,690 --> 02:27:01,520
bastard that just means they've had a

3176
02:27:08,340 --> 02:27:04,700
more fortunate existence and we have in

3177
02:27:11,560 --> 02:27:08,350
that regard now when you can point to

3178
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:11,570
shitty things that they've done to

3179
02:27:15,969 --> 02:27:14,150
people that they can't relate to that's

3180
02:27:18,730 --> 02:27:15,979
different that's when it begins to

3181
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:18,740
define them as what we're talking about

3182
02:27:23,050 --> 02:27:21,530
here but I would venture to say that if

3183
02:27:24,910 --> 02:27:23,060
you really looked at everybody who

3184
02:27:28,210 --> 02:27:24,920
attained what we would consider great

3185
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:28,220
wealth you might be surprised at how

3186
02:27:32,770 --> 02:27:30,890
many very decent human beings you would

3187
02:27:36,460 --> 02:27:32,780
actually find there might be more of

3188
02:27:38,620 --> 02:27:36,470
them out there and Keanu Reeves being

3189
02:27:41,010 --> 02:27:38,630
you know ken Reeves is apparently

3190
02:27:43,630 --> 02:27:41,020
amazing he's like the nicest guy ever

3191
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:43,640
and you know he's he's made his his

3192
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:46,970
wealth off of acting he's not like multi

3193
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:49,490
billionaire because you start pitting

3194
02:27:53,290 --> 02:27:50,930
millionaires to billionaires that's

3195
02:27:56,170 --> 02:27:53,300
that's a you know sense to since two

3196
02:27:59,170 --> 02:27:56,180
dollars in an excel take take

3197
02:28:01,870 --> 02:27:59,180
you know I know recently there's the

3198
02:28:03,430 --> 02:28:01,880
whole thing with with the Harvey

3199
02:28:05,380 --> 02:28:03,440
Weinstein thing that has come up and

3200
02:28:08,700 --> 02:28:05,390
memes and stuff but take Oprah Winfrey

3201
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:08,710
now I disagree with her politically on

3202
02:28:13,690 --> 02:28:11,840
you know most everything but there's

3203
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:13,700
somebody who's what she's the most

3204
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:17,120
wealthy woman in entertainment right and

3205
02:28:21,761 --> 02:28:19,760
she's built you know her fortune and I

3206
02:28:23,890 --> 02:28:21,771
would say I'm not aware of anything

3207
02:28:26,170 --> 02:28:23,900
rotten and nefarious or unethical she's

3208
02:28:28,780 --> 02:28:26,180
done and she's a lot richer than Keanu

3209
02:28:30,820 --> 02:28:28,790
Reeves you know for example say and show

3210
02:28:37,261 --> 02:28:30,830
she's just one of you know what I'm

3211
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:37,271
talking about I'm a great believer in

3212
02:28:44,410 --> 02:28:41,210
you know look at individual behaviors

3213
02:28:45,761 --> 02:28:44,420
and try not cuz we're great

3214
02:28:47,620 --> 02:28:45,771
you know we're taught when we're kids

3215
02:28:51,180 --> 02:28:47,630
try not to pain everybody with the same

3216
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:51,190
brush try not to be you know

3217
02:28:57,430 --> 02:28:52,970
characterizing everybody just because

3218
02:29:00,310 --> 02:28:57,440
they're this or they're that and I I

3219
02:29:02,320 --> 02:29:00,320
think wealth should be included on that

3220
02:29:04,390 --> 02:29:02,330
I don't think every I don't think you

3221
02:29:06,580 --> 02:29:04,400
have to have sold your soul to get rich

3222
02:29:09,310 --> 02:29:06,590
well no and she's she's worth about two

3223
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:09,320
three billion dollars right now her

3224
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,610
sellers about seventy five million a

3225
02:29:14,380 --> 02:29:13,040
year as a 2013 and yeah but she's also

3226
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:14,390
been working since nineteen seventy one

3227
02:29:18,850 --> 02:29:16,610
so we're talking a 40-year career where

3228
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:18,860
she or she built up you know from

3229
02:29:25,540 --> 02:29:21,290
nothing it's very rare we're talking

3230
02:29:28,060 --> 02:29:25,550
like a lightning strike kind of chance

3231
02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:28,070
of getting into that that I'll be able

3232
02:29:32,170 --> 02:29:29,570
to land an opportunity which sets you on

3233
02:29:34,060 --> 02:29:32,180
that path what I'm saying is like it she

3234
02:29:35,950 --> 02:29:34,070
but again she built that up from nothing

3235
02:29:37,180 --> 02:29:35,960
so she is gonna have that I can't you

3236
02:29:40,630 --> 02:29:37,190
know she's gonna have that mentality of

3237
02:29:44,551 --> 02:29:40,640
of having of understanding where people

3238
02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:44,561
come from right but you look at somebody

3239
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:47,660
I'm gonna say there's this one multi

3240
02:29:53,650 --> 02:29:52,540
oh you know I'll use a definitely a good

3241
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:53,660
example and this would be the the

3242
02:29:58,630 --> 02:29:54,890
president the united states currently

3243
02:30:00,219 --> 02:29:58,640
whom i can talk about and okay so you

3244
02:30:02,860 --> 02:30:00,229
have this entire mystique which has been

3245
02:30:06,910 --> 02:30:02,870
built around and by the by the the right

3246
02:30:08,260 --> 02:30:06,920
and most people don't most people don't

3247
02:30:10,480 --> 02:30:08,270
necessarily know what he was like when

3248
02:30:13,090 --> 02:30:10,490
he was younger and his views haven't

3249
02:30:15,880 --> 02:30:13,100
necessarily changed but you know he

3250
02:30:17,530 --> 02:30:15,890
didn't make his money actually his money

3251
02:30:21,790 --> 02:30:17,540
was loaned to him illegally by his

3252
02:30:25,390 --> 02:30:21,800
father it was also a massive racist and

3253
02:30:26,710 --> 02:30:25,400
he this is somebody who has been in bed

3254
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:26,720
with organized crime with the Italian

3255
02:30:30,670 --> 02:30:28,850
mafia and he's one of the few people who

3256
02:30:32,140 --> 02:30:30,680
was able to bankrupt a casino how many

3257
02:30:36,580 --> 02:30:32,150
people bankrupt a casino I don't know

3258
02:30:38,890 --> 02:30:36,590
very many you know you're you're looking

3259
02:30:41,950 --> 02:30:38,900
at an individual who has had an enormous

3260
02:30:43,180 --> 02:30:41,960
amount of wealth and the for anybody

3261
02:30:45,730 --> 02:30:43,190
who's dealt with him who's talked to him

3262
02:30:47,860 --> 02:30:45,740
and we're talking about everybody yeah

3263
02:30:50,830 --> 02:30:47,870
they paint a very negative picture of

3264
02:30:53,080 --> 02:30:50,840
him well everybody everyone everyone

3265
02:30:56,260 --> 02:30:53,090
I've seen as far as as far as okay

3266
02:30:59,440 --> 02:30:56,270
everyone you're sourcing which is a [\h__\h]

3267
02:31:03,550 --> 02:30:59,450
ton of people over a very long life how

3268
02:31:06,370 --> 02:31:03,560
many but a number on 50-100 very

3269
02:31:08,710 --> 02:31:06,380
prominent that it spent were in very

3270
02:31:11,980 --> 02:31:08,720
good names of all and the things they

3271
02:31:15,370 --> 02:31:11,990
said that where he's you know well the

3272
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:15,380
point I'm trying to make is it it's but

3273
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:19,130
that's a hereditary wealth versus you

3274
02:31:25,180 --> 02:31:20,450
know ingrained wealth but the idea is

3275
02:31:26,920 --> 02:31:25,190
but I don't demonize somebody by if they

3276
02:31:29,050 --> 02:31:26,930
inherited their wealth to me that's

3277
02:31:32,410 --> 02:31:29,060
that's not a well know and neither would

3278
02:31:34,420 --> 02:31:32,420
i but that's that's the general oh I do

3279
02:31:35,710 --> 02:31:34,430
I do want to say that I probably have to

3280
02:31:37,780 --> 02:31:35,720
go in about five minutes because I gotta

3281
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:37,790
go pick up my kid oh my goodness okay

3282
02:31:41,710 --> 02:31:39,770
well at least a it was alright I'm gonna

3283
02:31:43,980 --> 02:31:41,720
start trying to and tie it back here so

3284
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:43,990
if you have these two forces get to

3285
02:31:50,830 --> 02:31:47,210
International globalist and you know

3286
02:31:51,820 --> 02:31:50,840
someone not globalist good and bad what

3287
02:31:53,469 --> 02:31:51,830
I'm saying is that the people who would

3288
02:31:54,610 --> 02:31:53,479
be in the bad would have that hereditary

3289
02:31:58,300 --> 02:31:54,620
wealth there would be the people who

3290
02:31:59,890 --> 02:31:58,310
would be the of that you know you can

3291
02:32:01,660 --> 02:31:59,900
yeah people on the good side that are

3292
02:32:03,831 --> 02:32:01,670
the hereditary wealth I did you have

3293
02:32:06,470 --> 02:32:03,841
what is

3294
02:32:08,751 --> 02:32:06,480
unless somebody is truly a you know

3295
02:32:11,951 --> 02:32:08,761
blood on their hands criminal you know

3296
02:32:15,591 --> 02:32:11,961
stealing the money from other people you

3297
02:32:18,650 --> 02:32:15,601
know getting money because you inherited

3298
02:32:19,881 --> 02:32:18,660
it is not in itself inherently but how

3299
02:32:22,161 --> 02:32:19,891
else you're gonna be able to a deck for

3300
02:32:25,011 --> 02:32:22,171
it's not gonna suddenly turn you into an

3301
02:32:26,871 --> 02:32:25,021
evil person cause you inherited but how

3302
02:32:28,461 --> 02:32:26,881
else are you able to identify a giant

3303
02:32:30,171 --> 02:32:28,471
monolithic secretive group of

3304
02:32:31,820 --> 02:32:30,181
individuals if you can't say okay well

3305
02:32:34,461 --> 02:32:31,830
this person is more likely to be here so

3306
02:32:35,900 --> 02:32:34,471
how you know who are in these how do you

3307
02:32:38,211 --> 02:32:35,910
know how do you know that this other

3308
02:32:39,921 --> 02:32:38,221
breakaway that I classify on the good

3309
02:32:41,421 --> 02:32:39,931
side of the spectrum I'm not saying

3310
02:32:44,031 --> 02:32:41,431
they're perfect angels I'm not saying

3311
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:44,041
that but I picked them as the good guys

3312
02:32:49,281 --> 02:32:47,610
so to speak just for a label how do you

3313
02:32:52,730 --> 02:32:49,291
know that they're not a bunch of guys

3314
02:32:55,761 --> 02:32:52,740
who inherited their money see the the

3315
02:32:59,211 --> 02:32:55,771
inheriting the money is not not the

3316
02:33:02,690 --> 02:32:59,221
issue it's their personal philosophy

3317
02:33:05,381 --> 02:33:02,700
it's they these are people who the ones

3318
02:33:09,560 --> 02:33:05,391
who want to control they as individuals

3319
02:33:12,201 --> 02:33:09,570
you know have embraced the idea that

3320
02:33:17,541 --> 02:33:12,211
they're better and they want to lord it

3321
02:33:21,171 --> 02:33:17,551
over people and that you know certainly

3322
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:21,181
you know the ease of their life and you

3323
02:33:25,820 --> 02:33:22,410
know some of the things that this money

3324
02:33:28,491 --> 02:33:25,830
has given them might you know have fed

3325
02:33:31,161 --> 02:33:28,501
their arrogance but it's not the fact

3326
02:33:33,470 --> 02:33:31,171
that they had that wealth or inherited

3327
02:33:35,060 --> 02:33:33,480
that wealth that took an otherwise what

3328
02:33:38,121 --> 02:33:35,070
would have been a good soul and turned

3329
02:33:40,161 --> 02:33:38,131
it evil see I say that there were guys

3330
02:33:42,350 --> 02:33:40,171
who inherited the wealth who built the

3331
02:33:45,671 --> 02:33:42,360
other breakaway okay because you needed

3332
02:33:49,491 --> 02:33:45,681
that kind of wealth to make it happen I

3333
02:33:51,801 --> 02:33:49,501
look I'm not in the camp that I'm not in

3334
02:33:53,421 --> 02:33:51,811
that I don't demonize rich people

3335
02:33:54,381 --> 02:33:53,431
because they're rich I I don't have an

3336
02:33:56,541 --> 02:33:54,391
axe to grind

3337
02:33:59,631 --> 02:33:56,551
about folks because of the money they

3338
02:34:02,991 --> 02:33:59,641
have they're right I tend to have

3339
02:34:05,690 --> 02:34:03,001
trouble with people for their individual

3340
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:05,700
behaviors whether they're rich or not

3341
02:34:09,411 --> 02:34:07,530
exactly it's it's whether whether you're

3342
02:34:10,820 --> 02:34:09,421
a good person so you know I'll tell you

3343
02:34:12,171 --> 02:34:10,830
this I'm gonna leave this leave is it

3344
02:34:13,820 --> 02:34:12,181
that that we can sign off and I'll be

3345
02:34:15,531 --> 02:34:13,830
able to say goodbye to you off off air

3346
02:34:17,511 --> 02:34:15,541
let's make her it let you know like

3347
02:34:19,551 --> 02:34:17,521
let's let's end the discussion it's

3348
02:34:21,711 --> 02:34:19,561
versus evil will make our third group

3349
02:34:24,051 --> 02:34:21,721
with blackjack and hookers you know what

3350
02:34:27,020 --> 02:34:24,061
actually forget the blackjack you know

3351
02:34:29,780 --> 02:34:27,030
what forget the secret group and that's

3352
02:34:31,700 --> 02:34:29,790
all I'll let everyone else out and chat

3353
02:34:35,631 --> 02:34:31,710
think of that and that's my last joke

3354
02:34:37,761 --> 02:34:35,641
for the night ladies and ladies and

3355
02:34:39,801 --> 02:34:37,771
gentleman this has been den of lore with

3356
02:34:40,910 --> 02:34:39,811
Walter Bosley and who thank you very

3357
02:34:42,890 --> 02:34:40,920
much for indulging me with that

3358
02:34:44,841 --> 02:34:42,900
fantastic debate at the end

3359
02:34:47,180 --> 02:34:44,851
I haven't had somebody who's been able

3360
02:34:50,270 --> 02:34:47,190
to articulate very well on the show when

3361
02:34:53,480 --> 02:34:50,280
it comes to being able to keep civil

3362
02:34:57,560 --> 02:34:53,490
debate on cuz I'm I could be a hothead

3363
02:34:58,610 --> 02:34:57,570
sometimes so well well most there's

3364
02:35:00,560 --> 02:34:58,620
probably a lot of people out there

3365
02:35:04,220 --> 02:35:00,570
listening that said he wasn't very

3366
02:35:06,320 --> 02:35:04,230
articulate but thank you and I shall we

3367
02:35:08,060 --> 02:35:06,330
yeah I enjoyed the whole discussion this

3368
02:35:09,470 --> 02:35:08,070
is great I'd like to do it again well

3369
02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:09,480
we'd love people to have you back and

3370
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:11,790
I'm actually just gonna play a song that

3371
02:35:15,560 --> 02:35:13,290
everyone knows this one join the

3372
02:35:19,430 --> 02:35:15,570
restaurant because I'm having such had

3373
02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:19,440
such a good time tonight but Joseph via

3374
02:35:24,381 --> 02:35:21,090
it gets the joke he's at Chris bender

3375
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:24,391
Zuger yes yes thank you very much ladies

3376
02:35:29,540 --> 02:35:26,370
and gentlemen this has been Chris George

3377
02:35:31,370 --> 02:35:29,550
zuker along with Walter Bosley for

3378
02:35:34,341 --> 02:35:31,380
episode 77 of the den of lore go check

3379
02:35:38,211 --> 02:35:34,351
out patreon.com/crashcourse abort the

3380
02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:38,221
show we're going to be having on next

3381
02:35:43,850 --> 02:35:42,420
week clay roof with a John Anthony West

3382
02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:43,860
update and we're going to be discussing

3383
02:35:51,079 --> 02:35:47,730
ketogenic diets and with for cancer

3384
02:35:54,649 --> 02:35:51,089
prevention and possibly

3385
02:35:57,889 --> 02:35:54,659
the long almost cure through taking care

3386
02:36:02,539 --> 02:35:57,899
of yourself so I'm quite excited because

3387
02:36:05,090 --> 02:36:02,549
I haven't talked to clay in a while and

3388
02:36:15,250 --> 02:36:05,100
I'm just trying to we're not off air yet

3389
02:36:15,260 --> 02:36:21,500
and transition